Hardcore Dancing Styles

[straight sam]

Read something about the different hardcore dancing styles some minutes ago... which one do you prefer?

[xJoeyNormalx]

The one where I do whatever the fuck I want and look unco.

[Lost Prophet]

lol
personally, i love to 2step
but im learning breakdowns, and those are fun

[Lifestyle_X]

man, i saw a little movie about those H-core dancing styles,
that was fucking HARDCORE !!!

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man, i saw a little movie about those H-core dancing styles,
that was fucking HARDCORE !!!

you mean the sick of it all video?

[stepinsideissue]

you mean the sick of it all video?


Yeah they saw it on Beavis and Butthead.

[Lifestyle_X]

No, on the end it says, "Guerrila warfare, video fanzine" - "diversity"
"www.gwvf.net"

[xCAMIx]

this video's sorta lame, due to the fact that its 0% old school, but it is hxc dancing
http://www.exbyte.net/media/videos/906/Hardcore_Dancing.html

[SgtD]

this video's sorta lame, due to the fact that its 0% old school, but it is hxc dancing
http://www.exbyte.net/media/videos/906/Hardcore_Dancing.html
i think it's good, but it definitely lacks two steps, circle pits and crucial stagedives....

[xCAMIx]

i think it's good, but it definitely lacks two steps, circle pits and crucial stagedives....
thats what im talkin aboot. haha.

[Lifestyle_X]

thats the one i saw.

[SgtD]

you can find some more browsing youtube.com
there are some real lame and pathetic ones though.

[xrissyXmoshx]

2-steppin with my tag team buddy on the upbeats-and windmills and donkey grabs on the breakdowns.

[SgtD]

donkey grabs?

[xrissyXmoshx]

yeah donkey grabs---oh well i dunno maybe we made that term up haha i dunno what you would call em---you basically--well damn i dunno how to show you...come to the duke city saturday and go to Exxon Valdez for the SOTS show and ill we'll show you....me and my friends. its actually quite fun---mmmm other than that...uh..i liek spinkicks i usally spink kick and open the pit for my crew- ;) wr have fun- what do you do?

[SgtD]

yeah donkey grabs---oh well i dunno maybe we made that term up haha i dunno what you would call em---you basically--well damn i dunno how to show you...come to the duke city saturday and go to Exxon Valdez for the SOTS show and ill we'll show you....me and my friends. its actually quite fun---mmmm other than that...uh..i liek spinkicks i usally spink kick and open the pit for my crew- ;) wr have fun- what do you do?

i live a bit far to just drop by.
i do a lot of spin kicks, picking up teh change, gorilla, windmill, two steps (i had a hard time learning this one!), but i love posi stagedives and singalongs just as much.

[xrissyXmoshx]

goood job--- im proud of you- YEah two stepping is a hard thing you have to be somewhat rythmic to do it ....

[SgtD]

goood job--- im proud of you- YEah two stepping is a hard thing you have to be somewhat rythmic to do it ....
i'm so glad you are proud of me

[xRodboi!x]

goood job--- im proud of you- YEah two stepping is a hard thing you have to be somewhat rythmic to do it ....
i just learned to 2step in 1 minute,maybe i've got more rythm coz i'm bassist

[xrissyXmoshx]

could be---isnt it fun?

[livithezombie]

this video's sorta lame, due to the fact that its 0% old school, but it is hxc dancing
http://www.exbyte.net/media/videos/906/Hardcore_Dancing.html
ive never been to a hardcore show, but after watching this im guessing that the aim is to kill as many people as possible?

[straightXed]

ive never been to a hardcore show, but after watching this im guessing that the aim is to kill as many people as possible?

No, the example isn't that great, things can get rough in the pit but the aim isn't to hurt anyone, because that is purely dumb.

[stepinsideissue]

Yeah it's all good clean fun. Some times you get hit but you gotta suck it up and keep going. I've come out black and blue or with a bloody nose before with no regrets.

[livithezombie]

Yeah it's all good clean fun. Some times you get hit but you gotta suck it up and keep going. I've come out black and blue or with a bloody nose before with no regrets.
so just like a regular mosh pit at any other show then? its just hardcore fans always seem to make themselves sound more tough and..... scary. well not all of them of course.....

[stepinsideissue]

so just like a regular mosh pit at any other show then? its just hardcore fans always seem to make themselves sound more tough and..... scary. well not all of them of course.....

Yes and no. They deffinately have thier differences.

[Lost Prophet]

Yes and no. They deffinately have thier differences.

yeah, if u try to two step in a mosh pit, your basically gonna get ur ass owned...
so i would try that if i were you

[straightXed]

yeah, if u try to two step in a mosh pit, your basically gonna get ur ass owned...
so i would try that if i were you

You would, why?

[xrissyXmoshx]

persoanlly I dont think "mosh pits" are very fun i hate when people push into me, an dbang theri heads like its tough, it bugs me ---if everyone decides to circle pit thats fine with me , but most "moshers" and hardcore dancers here dont get along in act the minute we see a "moshe" starting to push we all go in with our dukes up ready to throw so floor punches and a couple of windmills to get rid of em ...not that we dont want everyone one to have fun ...we just like our pits to have dancing. ...specially for breakdowns. we all wanna dance and alot of kids who dont usually go to hxc shows think its time to throw themselves at us---man oh man-- and yes moshing can be dabgeroud but "whats blood between family" right we all get hurt somehow buts its so much fun right!?....
so what city is everyone reppin in the pit?

[xrissyXmoshx]

i suck at typing so pretend that all makes sence mmk

[Lost Prophet]

exactly
moshers and hardcore dancers dont get along at all out here
thats what i was talkin about when i said that two stepping in a mosh would get you killed
personally, i dont have a problem w/ moshers as long as they stay the hell out of the hardcore pit

btw, im out in modesto
central california hardcore, bitch! lol

[SgtD]

okay. please explain the difference between moshing and hardcore dancing

[brice]

im pretty good at my 2'step and my round house but my back just got fucked up so i cant do more than that
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[xRodboi!x]

what's a breakdown?

[Lost Prophet]

okay. please explain the difference between moshing and hardcore dancing
hardcore dancing is actual dancing
all the moves are done a certain way (well... not really, but there is some basic form to it all)
and you move to the rhythm of the music

moshing is just bashing each other as hard as you can to prove to each other how hard you are
its basically just a ball of people slamming and maneuvering around each other

[Lost Prophet]

what's a breakdown?

you know the part of a song where the two step beat is gone, the bass drum is going crazy, theres a fat guitar solo, and the screaming is so intense you want to jump onstage and scream along?
thats the breakdown

its when everyone vies for their turn in the pit to "fight the invisible ninjas" as my friends like to say

make sense?

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hardcore dancing is actual dancing
all the moves are done a certain way (well... not really, but there is some basic form to it all)
and you move to the rhythm of the music

moshing is just bashing each other as hard as you can to prove to each other how hard you are
its basically just a ball of people slamming and maneuvering around each other

heh. what you're calling moshing is what people used to call slam dancing. and what you're calling hardcore dancing, people used to just call moshing or dancing.

[Lost Prophet]

heh. what you're calling moshing is what people used to call slam dancing. and what you're calling hardcore dancing, people used to just call moshing or dancing.
lol, really?

[hXcislife]

i only know two real styles and those are two-steppin and thrashin....i wanna learn breakdowns but no one knows'em where i live can someone help me out?

[SgtD]

lol, really?
yes. :D

[hXcislife]

how many different styles are there

[straightXed]

i only know two real styles and those are two-steppin and thrashin....i wanna learn breakdowns but no one knows'em where i live can someone help me out?

Breakdowns aren't dance moves.

[brice]

fuck there a bunch but most of them people just make up
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[brice]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5475013839245054773&q=hxc



this is one of the good slamdance videos
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[livithezombie]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5475013839245054773&q=hxc



this is one of the good slamdance videos
that kid is so cute

[xvunderx]

You know when your actually there it looks cool, and is a lot of fun. When you see it on video half the time or more it just looks dumb.

Maybe it was meant from a "pit eye view"?

[gatsaw]

You know when your actually there it looks cool, and is a lot of fun. When you see it on video half the time or more it just looks dumb.

Maybe it was meant from a "pit eye view"?
couldn´t agree more.

[brice]

http://www.youtube.com/w/Warped-tour-mosh-pit?v=9ll9Xef2HQ4&search=hxc






hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh kicked in the face
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[hXcislife]

i know breakdowns is a a musical thing in a song but ive heard of breakdowns in dancing

[Lost Prophet]

i know breakdowns is a a musical thing in a song but ive heard of breakdowns in dancing
yeah, i know
watch the video on the last page and you'll c what a breakdown is

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yeah, i know
watch the video on the last page and you'll c what a breakdown is

uh. a breakdown is a part of a song, not a dance move.

[xCAMIx]

Yes, I really like circle pits, two stepping, stomping, floor hits, stage dives, and pile - ons. I think that the idea of fighting for the pit sucks. Iv'e seen it on videos for punk shows. I'm small , so ussually on the pile-on's I get knocked forward with my head down, so seldom do I get to that mic majorly (unless Crucial Youth is playing because for some reason they always direct at me). Being skinny sucks. Someone gimme some fries and CF PEPSI

[xCAMIx]

I learned to two step very quickly. I picked it up and studied alot before my first show.

[straightXed]

Yes, I really like circle pits, two stepping, stomping, floor hits, stage dives, and pile - ons. I think that the idea of fighting for the pit sucks. Iv'e seen it on videos for punk shows. I'm small , so ussually on the pile-on's I get knocked forward with my head down, so seldom do I get to that mic majorly (unless Crucial Youth is playing because for some reason they always direct at me). Being skinny sucks. Someone gimme some fries and CF PEPSI

You seen crucial youth a few times then?

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You seen crucial youth a few times then?

crucial youth coverband with some members did play here last week. don't know how often it happens. also makes me wonder how many people actually realize that they were making fun of straight edge and not actually edge at all.

[straightXed]

crucial youth coverband with some members did play here last week. don't know how often it happens. also makes me wonder how many people actually realize that they were making fun of straight edge and not actually edge at all.

I hadn't heard anything about that, i was curious as i thought he meant the proper crucial youth but he seemed a bit young!

[xCAMIx]

I hadn't heard anything about that, i was curious as i thought he meant the proper crucial youth but he seemed a bit young!
mistake: I saw them once, and I got pointed out alot.
I'm sure they really are edge.
And, for my age I listen to music older people would listen to.

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mistake: I saw them once, and I got pointed out alot.
I'm sure they really are edge.
And, for my age I listen to music older people would listen to.

you can't be serious that you think they are edge?

[straightXed]

mistake: I saw them once, and I got pointed out alot.
I'm sure they really are edge.
And, for my age I listen to music older people would listen to.

I think you misunderstand, i thought you meant you actually crucial youth as in the original band, its not necessarily what older people listen too or anything.

[xCAMIx]

I think you misunderstand, i thought you meant you actually crucial youth as in the original band, its not necessarily what older people listen too or anything.
Oh yeah , this is just a tribute band. And I seriously think theyr'e edge, just on the "immature" side.

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Oh yeah , this is just a tribute band. And I seriously think theyr'e edge, just on the "immature" side.

the original crucial youth weren't.

[xCAMIx]

the original crucial youth weren't.
Di they have the sort of goofy voice and the anthems of brushing your teeth 3x a day and rewinding the tape before you return it to blockbuster?

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Di they have the sort of goofy voice and the anthems of brushing your teeth 3x a day and rewinding the tape before you return it to blockbuster?

you've never heard posi machine?

[xCAMIx]

you've never heard posi machine?
Well that one's one of the more mature ones, maybe the only one except the ones like Johnny, American band, etc.

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Well that one's one of the more mature ones, maybe the only one except the ones like Johnny, American band, etc.

posi machine was a crucial youth record.

[xCAMIx]

posi machine was a crucial youth record.
And a song. They played it at the show.

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And a song. They played it at the show.

right, but it sounds like you haven't actually heard the record.

[atXdawnXweXburn]

personally, my favourite dances are spin kicks and windmills. and 2 steps, but i cant do them. somebody teach me! i wanna be a 2-steppin fat kid

[XshiXnyX]

yea, Moshing can get lame after a while. But those spin kicks, thats what makes me stay there. Never really understood how you "pick up change".

wow, and I didnt realize I had been two stepping this entire time...

[XshiXnyX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOAnyTZBykE&search=mosh%20pits

thats fraking crazy

[xash.wednesdayx]

LOOK!! IM BACK!!!..after about 6 months i finally remembered my password!!!

here is a good video...my buddy was at this show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqiE3kv9Ces&search=throwdown

[xash.wednesdayx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOAnyTZBykE&search=mosh%20pits

thats fraking crazy


that was the same event throwdown played....i think that may be shattered rrealm cuz u cant understand the vocalist when he is talkin....

[XshiXnyX]

that was the same event throwdown played....i think that may be shattered rrealm cuz u cant understand the vocalist when he is talkin....


Huh, I thought it was from another country. Because the guy sounds like hes talking in a totally different language.

[xash.wednesdayx]

Huh, I thought it was from another country. Because the guy sounds like hes talking in a totally different language.

if u listen really close around the end right before the music starts u can hear him say something about burning something down and shit...i thought it was shattered realm but after checkin it out i realized it wasnt because Joe HXC from SR is huge dude...ive met him

[XshiXnyX]

if u listen really close around the end right before the music starts u can hear him say something about burning something down and shit...i thought it was shattered realm but after checkin it out i realized it wasnt because Joe HXC from SR is huge dude...ive met him

Who knows man. All I know is that I wish our venue was big enough for that to happen =(

[Mac Kell]

I can't two step. :(

[SgtD]

I can't two step. :(
practice makes perfect! for me, it was easier to learn how to, when i was doing windmills simultaniously. it kept my balance i guess.

[Mac Kell]

Yeah? I might try that.

[atXdawnXweXburn]

I can't two step. :(

dont feel bad, neither can i.

[Mac Kell]

Yeah, it's grand. I'm still in there, with the kicks and the floor punching.

[xdoylex]

I can't two step. :(

Ahhh man that sucks......I can't exactly remember what front man said it.....im pretty sure it wasn't local but i can't really remember, he dedicated a song to all the the kids who practice their two step in the bathroom. Shit i thought he was kidding. Than i saw a bunch of kids nodding their heads.


yea, Moshing can get lame after a while. But those spin kicks, thats what makes me stay there. Never really understood how you "pick up change".

wow, and I didnt realize I had been two stepping this entire time...


And yeah youre standard mosh can get old, but mattress mosh?....thats a whole different story.



Circle pits, floor punches, and two stepping. God i miss some of the venues that got shut down around here.

[xCAMIx]

exactly
moshers and hardcore dancers dont get along at all out here
thats what i was talkin about when i said that two stepping in a mosh would get you killed
personally, i dont have a problem w/ moshers as long as they stay the hell out of the hardcore pit

btw, im out in modesto
central california hardcore, bitch! lol
I've two stepped in a mosh... not too fun.

[xsaveourshipx]

Around here, moshers know if they get in the dancing pit they'll get fucked up.

[xCAMIx]

Around here, moshers know if they get in the dancing pit they'll get fucked up. Ha true that. This was at Warped on Rise Against. So the majority was moshers, but we had like 5 other kids who danced.

[xsaveourshipx]

at all the local shows here like half the floor is people dancing.

[stepinsideissue]

at all the local shows here like half the floor is people dancing.


As well it should be.

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As well it should be.

dancing tends to get in the way of crucial pile ons and sing alongs. I'd rather have no dancefloor and kids jumping on each other to get the mic than the shit people call dancing now.

[stepinsideissue]

dancing tends to get in the way of crucial pile ons and sing alongs. I'd rather have no dancefloor and kids jumping on each other to get the mic than the shit people call dancing now.


Which is what the other half of the floor is for. Who doesn't love a good pile on? I just like to see the whole place going. I don't like to see these kids just standing around doing nothing or holding up the walls. I'm all about the pile on sing along and the stage dive ( even with my big fat ass. ) But some times it's nice to just hit the pit and dance.

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Which is what the other half of the floor is for. Who doesn't love a good pile on? I just like to see the whole place going. I don't like to see these kids just standing around doing nothing or holding up the walls. I'm all about the pile on sing along and the stage dive ( even with my big fat ass. ) But some times it's nice to just hit the pit and dance.

yeah except the 2 can't co exist. the kids who want to "dance" don't do it in the back.

[xCAMIx]

I gotta admit I love pile ons and stage dives. I'd expect that to come from Dusty though, because the pile ons, etc. have been around since the beginning, and the dance stuff came into play in the late 90's.

[SgtD]

I gotta admit I love pile ons and stage dives. I'd expect that to come from Dusty though, because the pile ons, etc. have been around since the beginning, and the dance stuff came into play in the late 90's.depends what you're calling dancing

[xsaveourshipx]

I dont see the big deal. You can pile on even if there's people dancing.

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I dont see the big deal. You can pile on even if there's people dancing.

how can you pile on with a bunch of retards swinging blindly not paying attention to what they're doing?

[straightXed]

dancing tends to get in the way of crucial pile ons and sing alongs. I'd rather have no dancefloor and kids jumping on each other to get the mic than the shit people call dancing now.

I have to second that, i always feel a little outcast in that mindset at shows nowadays. Like the fact people don't move at all because theres this unsaid idea that you should dance in accordance with these preset moves, seems to take away spontaneity. Especially when people take out time to practice the dance moves, seems at times theres way to much focus on it.

[xsaveourshipx]

how can you pile on with a bunch of retards swinging blindly not paying attention to what they're doing?

Dancers pay attention to what they're doing. And there's usually room in front of where people are dancing.

[straightXed]

how can you pile on with a bunch of retards swinging blindly not paying attention to what they're doing?

From a martial artists point of view i tend to keep distance from the wild swings to avoid conflict.

[straightXed]

Dancers pay attention to what they're doing. And there's usually room in front of where people are dancing.

So how come people get hit or as you put it they'll get fucked up!

[xsaveourshipx]

The people that get hit aren't the dancers. Its people who try to either walk through the pit or start a push mosh.

[straightXed]

The people that get hit aren't the dancers. Its people who try to either walk through the pit or start a push mosh.


So with them dancing in front its pretty hard for them to get to the mic to sing along and start a pile on because the dancers will intentionally fuck them up? Is that correct, thats the impression i get when you say they pay attention to what they are doing.

[xsaveourshipx]

Most times people dance in the middle. Plenty of room to get to the mic and pile on. And dancers are paying attention so they don't hit somebody. I've probably gotten hit 3 people out of all the shows I've danced at.

[straightXed]

Most times people dance in the middle. Plenty of room to get to the mic and pile on. And dancers are paying attention so they don't hit somebody. I've probably gotten hit 3 people out of all the shows I've danced at.

Well unfortunately the reason you've hit so few people isn't down to you paying attention its more down to people avoiding you. I mean if theres a bunch of people in front of me flailing their arms and i want to get to the mic its not real easy. Even if there is space in front i have to get through and unfortunately again you don't have eyes in the back of your head so it kinda makes barrier and removes spontaneity.

[xsaveourshipx]

Wait til the end of the song and walk through?

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Wait til the end of the song and walk through?

dance in the back of the room where no one is?

[xsaveourshipx]

Dancers have the right to dance where they want. Just like you have the right to get the mic and pile on. Just cuz you dont like them, doesnt mean they dont.

[stepinsideissue]

yeah except the 2 can't co exist. the kids who want to "dance" don't do it in the back.


Yeah very true unfortunately.

[mouseman004]

Personally I dont like hardcore dancing. I think it looks pretty ridiculous, and the shows ive been to, i have had people who are standing less than a foot in front of me start swinging. Clearly they dont care if they hit others.

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Dancers have the right to dance where they want. Just like you have the right to get the mic and pile on. Just cuz you dont like them, doesnt mean they dont.

that's like saying dudes have the right to start fights because it's what they want to do. The thing is, there's no reason for people dancing in the front. It's not about the dancing, it's about showing people your moves, so people can watch you and not the band. which is bullshit.

[xCAMIx]

depends what you're calling dancing
Flails and kicks..new variations of the two step. I always wondered what the lawnmower is. Anyone know?

[straightXed]

Wait til the end of the song and walk through?

Why should i have to wait, how is it spontaneous if i wait, why does some monkey swinging his arms seem more important than anyone elses reaction to the music?

[straightXed]

Dancers have the right to dance where they want. Just like you have the right to get the mic and pile on. Just cuz you dont like them, doesnt mean they dont.

Only that right means we have to wait until you stop swinging your arms right? Which seems to say your right to dance is more important, a sentiment echoed with the focus put on dancing by a lot of people.

[xCAMIx]

Only that right means we have to wait until you stop swinging your arms right? Which seems to say your right to dance is more important, a sentiment echoed with the focus put on dancing by a lot of people.
What is the lawnmower? I looked it up after I heard Havok say it in the making of the video for "He Who Laughs Last", and no one has said anything that sounds like a mosh move. Oh and about the crowd of flailers. If I don't feel like doing it and wanna get up front , but I'm right behind them, I'll either tap one on the shoulder, push one, or sometimes I've walked through it before.

[SgtD]

What is the lawnmower?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1SrN4WW9do&search=soia%20step%20down

[straightXed]

What is the lawnmower? I looked it up after I heard Havok say it in the making of the video for "He Who Laughs Last", and no one has said anything that sounds like a mosh move. Oh and about the crowd of flailers. If I don't feel like doing it and wanna get up front , but I'm right behind them, I'll either tap one on the shoulder, push one, or sometimes I've walked through it before.


Oh so you can respond to my posts?!

And according to this dude, if you push them you'll get fucked up. If you walk through it you risk getting hit and to tap them on the shoulder you need to be in arms reach which would put you in the reach of a flailing swing. But none of that is the point in the post you addressed.

[xsaveourshipx]

what the hell are you talking about?

[straightXed]

what the hell are you talking about?

What don't you understand? You do realise the quoting function indicates who i am responding too right?

[NailedtotheX]

yeah except the 2 can't co exist. the kids who want to "dance" don't do it in the back.



i don't know about where you guys are, but here in jersey and philly i've never seen a problem with dancers being too far up front. actually it's always seemed pretty fluid, most people dance and when it's time for a sing-a-long everyone's in the pile on.

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i don't know about where you guys are, but here in jersey and philly i've never seen a problem with dancers being too far up front. actually it's always seemed pretty fluid, most people dance and when it's time for a sing-a-long everyone's in the pile on.

so you've never seen a fight start because someone who was "dancing" hit someone?

[NailedtotheX]

so you've never seen a fight start because someone who was "dancing" hit someone?


honestly, only when people like the dickhead nazi skin kids come around looking for a reason to fight. but the scene around here is generally really great, i see most of the same people at every show whether it's in asbury an hour and a half north of me or in philly like 20 minutes away. the FSU crew runs all the shows in philly and they help stay around the edges of where people are dancing and make sure to the best of their abilities that people don't get hit, and the dancers generally know when they feel someone's hand put out that they should move away. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's NEVER happened, no scene can be perfect, but i haven't seen it happen in a long time.

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honestly, only when people like the dickhead nazi skin kids come around looking for a reason to fight. but the scene around here is generally really great, i see most of the same people at every show whether it's in asbury an hour and a half north of me or in philly like 20 minutes away. the FSU crew runs all the shows in philly and they help stay around the edges of where people are dancing and make sure to the best of their abilities that people don't get hit, and the dancers generally know when they feel someone's hand put out that they should move away. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's NEVER happened, no scene can be perfect, but i haven't seen it happen in a long time.

that has more to do with people being afraid of FSU than anything else though. Shit happens in every scene and the reason it does is because for the most part kids who dance don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves.

[NailedtotheX]

that has more to do with people being afraid of FSU than anything else though. Shit happens in every scene and the reason it does is because for the most part kids who dance don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves.

that's really not true though. like i said, i know most of the kids around the scene. no one's afraid of FSU, honestly i could get a group together who could take out those guys, but no one wants to because they're all nice guys who are responsible for a lot of the booking/running of shows. we all just respect them. i know i dance and i'm careful not to hurt anyone, same goes for all my friends who dance. yeah we all take hits sometimes, at least those of us who are dancing, it happens when you get that many people in a small area moving fairly violently, but no one takes it personally. i honestly think the kids wherever you are who are dancing probably need a lesson in being a community.

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that's really not true though. like i said, i know most of the kids around the scene. no one's afraid of FSU, honestly i could get a group together who could take out those guys, but no one wants to because they're all nice guys who are responsible for a lot of the booking/running of shows. we all just respect them. i know i dance and i'm careful not to hurt anyone, same goes for all my friends who dance. yeah we all take hits sometimes, at least those of us who are dancing, it happens when you get that many people in a small area moving fairly violently, but no one takes it personally. i honestly think the kids wherever you are who are dancing probably need a lesson in being a community.

You might not see it, but that doesn't make it not true. kids all over the country are afraid of FSU.

And dude, this is observations from many scenes and many years. Very rarely have I been to a show where the kids who were dancing weren't douches.

[NailedtotheX]

You might not see it, but that doesn't make it not true. kids all over the country are afraid of FSU.

And dude, this is observations from many scenes and many years. Very rarely have I been to a show where the kids who were dancing weren't douches.


There are several completely different FSU's. The one in philly has no connection to the Boston FSU or any others, they just happen to share the same 3 letters. and i have to say, as many scenes or years as you have seen, i find it hard to believe you've been around the modern day philly/jersey scene. I don't know where you are, but if you ever get a chance to come over this way let me know, I think you'd really enjoy a show around here after dealing with the people you claim to have dealt with.

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There are several completely different FSU's. The one in philly has no connection to the Boston FSU or any others, they just happen to share the same 3 letters. and i have to say, as many scenes or years as you have seen, i find it hard to believe you've been around the modern day philly/jersey scene. I don't know where you are, but if you ever get a chance to come over this way let me know, I think you'd really enjoy a show around here after dealing with the people you claim to have dealt with.

Them being unrelated is completely different from what I've heard.

and you're right, I haven't been up to philly for a long time. I used to go up to shows at the church but that hasn't been for at least 6-7 years at least. It'd be a nice to actually see a show where the kids got it and it wasn't just a bunch of kids looking for fights and people getting hurt for the sake of it.

[xCAMIx]

You might not see it, but that doesn't make it not true. kids all over the country are afraid of FSU.

And dude, this is observations from many scenes and many years. Very rarely have I been to a show where the kids who were dancing weren't douches.
Who's this FSU crew? I've never heard of them..

[NailedtotheX]

Them being unrelated is completely different from what I've heard.

and you're right, I haven't been up to philly for a long time. I used to go up to shows at the church but that hasn't been for at least 6-7 years at least. It'd be a nice to actually see a show where the kids got it and it wasn't just a bunch of kids looking for fights and people getting hurt for the sake of it.


What FSU do you think of when you hear FSU? It's a little confusing around here because a shitload of local kids started like 5 different FSU's, and several of them have been involved with different shit.

and yeah, the church is great for shows. don't get me wrong, there's still "macho tough guy" hardcore kids, but i haven't seen them start fights, even in the pits. they're just douchebags when you talk to them, and they're so outnumbered i think they know better than to start stupid shit. Like I said though, if you're ever around this way let me know, I'd be all about bringing you to a show.

[xsecx]

What FSU do you think of when you hear FSU? It's a little confusing around here because a shitload of local kids started like 5 different FSU's, and several of them have been involved with different shit.


fsu nation that started in boston and has chapters in philly, seattle, la. etc.



and yeah, the church is great for shows. don't get me wrong, there's still "macho tough guy" hardcore kids, but i haven't seen them start fights, even in the pits. they're just douchebags when you talk to them, and they're so outnumbered i think they know better than to start stupid shit. Like I said though, if you're ever around this way let me know, I'd be all about bringing you to a show.

good, that's how it should be. and definitely if I'm ever up that way we'll have to do it

[xsaveourshipx]

i went to a huge local show last night.
people were dancing
oh my god sec, there were pile ons!
and guess what?
everyone STOPPED dancing so people could pile on.

[xsecx]

i went to a huge local show last night.
people were dancing
oh my god sec, there were pile ons!
and guess what?
everyone STOPPED dancing so people could pile on.

oh shit, one instance of people doing the right thing completely erases all the times they didn't.

[xsaveourshipx]

i'm just sayin that it can happen.

[xsecx]

i'm just sayin that it can happen.

and I never said it couldn't. The thing you need to understand is that by dancing you actually do make it so the other people in the crowd have to deal with you doing what you want to, not the other way around.

[xsaveourshipx]

thats true about anything, though.
if people want to pile-on, people in the front have to deal with that.

[xsecx]

thats true about anything, though.
if people want to pile-on, people in the front have to deal with that.

yeah except for a pileon to happen it takes a shitload of people to agree, dancing is only a few people.

[xsaveourshipx]

there may only be a few people actually dancing, but it takes alot of people in agreement to keep the pit open.

[xsecx]

there may only be a few people actually dancing, but it takes alot of people in agreement to keep the pit open.

you're joking right?

[NailedtotheX]

there may only be a few people actually dancing, but it takes alot of people in agreement to keep the pit open.


actually i have to agree with sec on this one, all it takes is one kid with a spin kick to almost hit 5 people for them to open it up.

[xsaveourshipx]

people can always walk back in. somebody may clear it again, people can close it again, too.

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people can always walk back in. somebody may clear it again, people can close it again, too.

walk back in with some kid flinging around spastically? again, are you joking?

[xsaveourshipx]

if every single person on the edge of the pit walks in, they're not gonna have much choice but to stop.

[xsecx]

if every single person on the edge of the pit walks in, they're not gonna have much choice but to stop.

the entire point of this is completely lost on you.

[straightXed]

if every single person on the edge of the pit walks in, they're not gonna have much choice but to stop.

You seem to forget that people generally don't like walking on to the end of swinging arm or kick. Most peoples reaction to that is not to walk right into it and rightly so.

[xsaveourshipx]

what you people dont get is that people arent doing that every single second of the show.

[straightXed]

what you people dont get is that people arent doing that every single second of the show.

Thats relevent how? It still means when they are doing it others have to deal with what they want to do.

[xsaveourshipx]

For 2 or 3 minutes during a song? If you are near the pit, you should expect to get hit at some point. Is it really that terrible being hit on the arm a few times?

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For 2 or 3 minutes during a song? If you are near the pit, you should expect to get hit at some point. Is it really that terrible being hit on the arm a few times?

thanks for proving the point kid.

[xsaveourshipx]

i never said that you weren't gonna get hit, but are people that go to shows where you live that much of pussies that they cant bear getting hit in the arm a couple times? it hurts the dancer just as much as them.

[straightXed]

For 2 or 3 minutes during a song? If you are near the pit, you should expect to get hit at some point. Is it really that terrible being hit on the arm a few times?

firstly, during the song is the time that others would like to be able to move forward also and secondly now you are saying people near the pit should expect to get hit so what happened to this control you spoke of and thirdly what makes you think its going to connect with the arm? Your question should have read "is it really that terrible being hit in the face a few times?" Just as likely to happen.

[straightXed]

i never said that you weren't gonna get hit, but are people that go to shows where you live that much of pussies that they cant bear getting hit in the arm a couple times? it hurts the dancer just as much as them.


so again people have to deal with what the dancers choose to do, its not a matter of being a pussy some people just don't want to be hit. If you do then fine but what about those that they don't, are they second class or something?

[xsecx]

i never said that you weren't gonna get hit, but are people that go to shows where you live that much of pussies that they cant bear getting hit in the arm a couple times? it hurts the dancer just as much as them.

you really are selfish aren't you? The whole point is that all you're concerned about is doing what you want to do, not at all how it affects others.

[xsaveourshipx]

all i'm saying is that if you aren't prepared to be hit a couple times, you shouldn't be on the edge of the pit. simple as that.

[straightXed]

all i'm saying is that if you aren't prepared to be hit a couple times, you shouldn't be on the edge of the pit. simple as that.

Where should you be?

[xsaveourshipx]

In front, in back, on the sides, in the middle a couple rows away from the pit. pretty much anywhere.

[kelly]

all i'm saying is that if you aren't prepared to be hit a couple times, you shouldn't be on the edge of the pit. simple as that.
wow, remind me not to go to the shows you go to. You do realize that the pit isn't some kind of defined area in which you have the right to be violent... and some people just happen to be at the edge of it wherever it forms... the last show I went to that wasn't at my usual bar had a bunch of teenage kids starting things... one tiny little girl kept trying to shove me into the pit. wtf?

[kelly]

In front, in back, on the sides, in the middle a couple rows away from the pit. pretty much anywhere.
so basically people have the right to form a pit anywhere, but people who aren't part of the pit have no right to be anywhere near it if they don't want to get hurt... makes plenty of sense.

[xsaveourshipx]

why would somebody WANT to be near the pit if they have no intention of being in it, and aren't prepared to take a couple hits?

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why would somebody WANT to be near the pit if they have no intention of being in it, and aren't prepared to take a couple hits?

to be close to the band they're paying to see.

[kelly]

why would somebody WANT to be near the pit if they have no intention of being in it, and aren't prepared to take a couple hits?
well, in this particular case, I was there before the pit started (there had been no pit for the previous band, which was more mellow) because we wanted to be near the stage... and when it started, everyone standing where we were was kind of trapped there. Of course no one WANTS to be near the pit, but why does the pit take priority over everyone else who is trying to watch the show? And it's not like y'all decide to announce "excuse me, we're starting a pit here, if you don't want to get decked in the face, you might be in an inconvenient location!"

[kelly]

to be close to the band they're paying to see.
I always wondered why the kids in the pit don't just go to the back and wrestle there... it's not like they're paying attention anyway.

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I always wondered why the kids in the pit don't just go to the back and wrestle there... it's not like they're paying attention anyway.

I asked the same thing earlier in this thread. I can understand wanting to do it and I know it can be a lot of fun. but I can't understand the mentality of "i'm going to do what I want, I don't care who gets hurt because if you do you're in MY way"

[xsaveourshipx]

well, people can get hurt if they're in your way in a pile-on, sec. how is that different?

[xsecx]

well, people can get hurt if they're in your way in a pile-on, sec. how is that different?

point being that a pile on requires group participation and also gives people time to get out of the way. It's not what one or 2 people actually want to do, that's the difference.

[kelly]

point being that a pile on requires group participation and also gives people time to get out of the way. It's not what one or 2 people actually want to do, that's the difference.
the other difference I think is time - the pit tends to last for the majority of the show, whereas a pile on is more of a temporary disruption.

[mouseman004]

i never said that you weren't gonna get hit, but are people that go to shows where you live that much of pussies that they cant bear getting hit in the arm a couple times? it hurts the dancer just as much as them.


What kinds of shows do you go to where people only get hit in the arms. I went to a show at a small bar in Windsor and I was standing near the front so I could see the band. Everyone around me started swinging, I had to stand with my hands in front of my face so my nose didnt get broken, are you saying that I had no right to stand there to watch the show because I don't look like some moron swinging my arms and legs?

[mouseman004]

all i'm saying is that if you aren't prepared to be hit a couple times, you shouldn't be on the edge of the pit. simple as that.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to move to the back if I am standing near the front and kids around me start a pit. I have as much right to be there as them, and I shouldn't have to be prepared to get my ass kicked just to see a show.

[mouseman004]

wow, remind me not to go to the shows you go to. You do realize that the pit isn't some kind of defined area in which you have the right to be violent... and some people just happen to be at the edge of it wherever it forms... the last show I went to that wasn't at my usual bar had a bunch of teenage kids starting things... one tiny little girl kept trying to shove me into the pit. wtf?


Be careful with the tiny ones, there is usually a huge boyfriend hanging around somewhere lol

[kelly]

Be careful with the tiny ones, there is usually a huge boyfriend hanging around somewhere lol
haha, yeah, well fortunately I'm a girl... so it's unlikely that the huge boyfriend would beat me up. I just glared at her and scared her enough to stop.
and you do have the right to be at the front at shows and not get beat up... especially since you're one of the people actually paying attention to the show...

[xsaveourshipx]

What kinds of shows do you go to where people only get hit in the arms. I went to a show at a small bar in Windsor and I was standing near the front so I could see the band. Everyone around me started swinging, I had to stand with my hands in front of my face so my nose didnt get broken, are you saying that I had no right to stand there to watch the show because I don't look like some moron swinging my arms and legs?

turn around? move up a row? move over to the side a little bit? push back? theres plenty of shit you can do, so dont complain just cuz somebody is having fun and you dont like it.

[xsecx]

turn around? move up a row? move over to the side a little bit? push back? theres plenty of shit you can do, so dont complain just cuz somebody is having fun and you dont like it.

and again the point that you continue to miss is why is your fun more important that theirs?

[kelly]

turn around? move up a row? move over to the side a little bit? push back? theres plenty of shit you can do, so dont complain just cuz somebody is having fun and you dont like it.
you think the effect of a pit is buffered by just one row of people? and that that buffer row is happy being there?

[pgcdan]

moshing and slamming is for losers you all need to learn how to beat your feet

[mouseman004]

turn around? move up a row? move over to the side a little bit? push back? theres plenty of shit you can do, so dont complain just cuz somebody is having fun and you dont like it.

Why am I going to move from a spot that I liked and picked out so some idiot could start swinging? You really do have a superiority complex, just because I choose not to randomly attack the air doesn't mean im not having fun, and doesn't mean I have to move when he/she is fully capable of moving.

[xsaveourshipx]

so you call me selfish because i want to dance, but you wont move? i see something wrong with that.

[kelly]

so you call me selfish because i want to dance, but you wont move? i see something wrong with that.
I think there's a bit of a difference between dancing and hitting and kicking people.... don't you?

[xsaveourshipx]

thats not what its about. you guys are calling us selfish because we want to have fun, but you wont move one inch. hypocrites.

[kelly]

thats not what its about. you guys are calling us selfish because we want to have fun, but you wont move one inch. hypocrites.
nobody said we don't move one inch.. we just want to be able to see the band without getting punched in the face, whereas our presence isn't going to physically harm you in any way. You don't need to see the band to start a pit, so why not start a pit off to the side so everyone who is actually watching can see without getting bloodied?

[xsecx]

thats not what its about. you guys are calling us selfish because we want to have fun, but you wont move one inch. hypocrites.

you need to become familar with what the terms hypocrite and selfish mean. you want to dance regardless of how it affects other people. Now, how is anyone other than you being a hypocrite? You keep contradicting yourself.

[mouseman004]

thats not what its about. you guys are calling us selfish because we want to have fun, but you wont move one inch. hypocrites.

Do you intentionally misinterpret posts or are you just that dense. We call you selfish because you have made it clear that people who don't dance need to move out of the way of those who are dancing. You have said that if you don't want to get hit you are a pussy, you have said if you aren't ready to dance you shouldnt stand in the pit (when the pit is usually right up front where most people would enjoy standing or pits just spring up wherever dancers feel like dancing), AND when dusty of kelly have asked you for alternatives to dancing wherever you want, you have never once said anything about moving, all of your suggestions have been for the non dancers to move. We call you selfish because you clearly think about nobody else but yourself. Which is realistically the definition of selfish.

[xsaveourshipx]

when people want to pile on, dancers move, and when people want to dance, you guys wont move. thats why i'm calling you hypocrites.

[kelly]

when people want to pile on, dancers move, and when people want to dance, you guys wont move. thats why i'm calling you hypocrites.
yeah... I don't do the pile on or the "dancing" (this term is a stretch). I just want to see the band. That's why I only go to 21+ shows anymore.... because the "dancers" certainly don't move out of the way for me.

[mouseman004]

yeah... I don't do the pile on or the "dancing" (this term is a stretch). I just want to see the band. That's why I only go to 21+ shows anymore.... because the "dancers" certainly don't move out of the way for me.


I agree, I don't really do either, when i go to a show I go to watch the show. I don't want to have to stand with my hands in front of my face just so I can stand in a decent spot without breaking my nose.

[straightXed]

thats not what its about. you guys are calling us selfish because we want to have fun, but you wont move one inch. hypocrites.

Because your fun infringes upon other people, no one is saying that you shouldn't dance but when you dance you lay claim to space by swinging and kicking and people have no real choice but to move aside. Dancing takes up a lot of space and hits people if they get too close, so how do they have their fun? You think its reasonable that they should get hit and you act like they are unimportant if they don't dance.

[NailedtotheX]

thats not what its about. you guys are calling us selfish because we want to have fun, but you wont move one inch. hypocrites.


Shit like this is how seperation causes tears in the scene. you seem really stubborn and close-minded about this whole thing, and then you take your own views and say "we". who exactly do you mean by "we"? if you're referring to the people dancing, i know i dance and couldn't possibly disagree more with your views. pits SHOULD be in the back, and honestly most dancers i know stop dancing and get involved in the pile-ons. people aren't pussies because they don't want to get hit, that's just a barbaric concept.

[Reticent Jester]

Shit like this is how seperation causes tears in the scene. you seem really stubborn and close-minded about this whole thing, and then you take your own views and say "we". who exactly do you mean by "we"? if you're referring to the people dancing, i know i dance and couldn't possibly disagree more with your views. pits SHOULD be in the back, and honestly most dancers i know stop dancing and get involved in the pile-ons. people aren't pussies because they don't want to get hit, that's just a barbaric concept.
I agree entirely; Very well said. Any pit that I've been involved in was in the back, but when I was in the front and a group of individuals decided to start a pit right next to the rail, I was extremely annoyed. The pits shouldn't take over an area where people would move to be better suited to see the bands. I don't know about any of the other dancers, but I can't see very much when I'm windmilling and kicking, so I really don't care if I don't have a good spot from which to see the band when I'm thrashing.

[hxcsxe]

i love 2step but skanking and slam dancing is fun if im in a happy mood

[xdoylex]

that has more to do with people being afraid of FSU than anything else though. Shit happens in every scene and the reason it does is because for the most part kids who dance don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves.


Fragments of FSU came here and threatened to beat the shit out of this small garage where shows were held and beat the shit out of everyone in it because it was called the FSU garage for a completely different reason. Fortunately for the most part they stick to their beloved BYD and leave others the fuck alone. Talk about a power trip. Ive got no respect for those dudes. The FSU garage changed their name and shortly there after got shut down by the fire marshall after some big tickets got dished out.

[xdoylex]

that's really not true though. like i said, i know most of the kids around the scene. no one's afraid of FSU, honestly i could get a group together who could take out those guys, but no one wants to because they're all nice guys who are responsible for a lot of the booking/running of shows. we all just respect them. i know i dance and i'm careful not to hurt anyone, same goes for all my friends who dance. yeah we all take hits sometimes, at least those of us who are dancing, it happens when you get that many people in a small area moving fairly violently, but no one takes it personally. i honestly think the kids wherever you are who are dancing probably need a lesson in being a community.


You clearly don't know a whole lot about your own scene. All FSU is connected. Those that aren't get threatened and the shit beat out of them. The guys you know may be nice but FSU as a whole=not nice, a gang that controls by threat. Of course your FSU is connected to Boston. And you better believe that if you took some guys and tried to take them out you would see their boston buddies so fast it would make your head spin. Dusty's right, people all over the country know about FSU and are scared. Not a good group of dudes. A bunch of us were gonna go to Boston to see BYD's cd release then decided against it due to our not so good relations with those guys.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FSU
Check out def. #2. It makes them sound like good guys but it proves that your fsu is just a chapter.

[xsaveourshipx]

There were a bunch of FSU at Warped Tour (it sucked, by the way) in Denver. They didn't seem all that bad. They all had my back after just meeting them.

[xdoylex]

There were a bunch of FSU at Warped Tour (it sucked, by the way) in Denver. They didn't seem all that bad. They all had my back after just meeting them.

They may be nice, but only if it fits their agenda. Of course, I speak from seeing the bad side of them so I guess im biased that way as well.

[RIpPeR]

This is all very interesting to me. To me, the modern "HC Dancing" looks very similar to what we originally called Slam-Dancing (except if you started kicking head-high like that back then, you'd get your ass kicked in) Nonetheless, the style is very similar. Its random swinging and punching and staying in generally one place. Only now it looks like, maybe because your not squeezed into tiny dives, that you get alot more room to play. We used to be packed together pretty tight and could't really wind-up like the kids in those videos posted earlier. Slam dancing slowly gave way to (several terms were used in my scene) "Thrashing", "Skanking", "Circle Dancing". One thing it was not called was "Moshing". That term still bugs me because it's always seemed to be a metal-crossover term. Anthrax? Anyways, I'm sure theres a whole different view of the term from NYC HC types that were there. I don't know much about FSU but it sounds like people need to stand their ground a bit. Agreed, fighting over the name of a venue is dumb...fighting for principles isn't. Anyways, just my 2 cents!

[xsecx]

This is all very interesting to me. To me, the modern "HC Dancing" looks very similar to what we originally called Slam-Dancing (except if you started kicking head-high like that back then, you'd get your ass kicked in) Nonetheless, the style is very similar. Its random swinging and punching and staying in generally one place. Only now it looks like, maybe because your not squeezed into tiny dives, that you get alot more room to play. We used to be packed together pretty tight and could't really wind-up like the kids in those videos posted earlier. Slam dancing slowly gave way to (several terms were used in my scene) "Thrashing", "Skanking", "Circle Dancing". One thing it was not called was "Moshing". That term still bugs me because it's always seemed to be a metal-crossover term. Anthrax? Anyways, I'm sure theres a whole different view of the term from NYC HC types that were there. I don't know much about FSU but it sounds like people need to stand their ground a bit. Agreed, fighting over the name of a venue is dumb...fighting for principles isn't. Anyways, just my 2 cents!

we always called it moshing but I think it comes down to regional differences.

[RIpPeR]

Agreed.

[xCAMIx]

Lately circle pitting is my new favorite thing..only thing that sucks is not everyone wants to do it, so it's hard to start one, and they don't always last too long.

[Big_O_is_Stupid]

Guerilla Warfare Fanzine videos are badass. Especially the WWIII one with Irate NYC and Sworn Enemy and shit... Yea...

I don't know about "styles"... I mean, I may sound a little dumb when I say this, but I just kinda zone into the music and get really violent when the music starts... I guess sometimes it looks like some of the stereotypical dancing (stomping, punching, spinkicks, but I don't twostep) but other than those episodes I just kinda slam around and get really fucking hyper and shit.

I never was a fan of windmills, but I like floorpunching (though I never really do it much) and can't really stand most newjack twosteppers who tuck their arms or don't move at all. I like MOVING, and just chaos really.

[x508x]

i believe that the band you guys were referring to several pages back was Caliban, who are German................also second i have never had a problem with FSU and they have always been the ncest guys (i live in mass).....thirdly what makes you think they follow around BYD? you would have been fine at the record release

[xdoylex]

...also second i have never had a problem with FSU and they have always been the ncest guys (i live in mass).....thirdly what makes you think they follow around BYD? you would have been fine at the record release


Let me correct myself. The guys who originally started FSU were, from what I hear, good natured dudes. However guys who joined the crew changed it into a violent front that it originally was not. Dont get me wrong, I love bands like donnybrook and DBD but lets face it, FSU as a whole is known for violence. They pick fights in numbers, and they certainly have the numbers to do it. When they threaten sweet garage venues like the one that was here, thats just bullshit and hurts the music scene and hardcore community that they "strive to build". A Group that bleeds together, stays together. Thats all sweet if you're from the boston area and you're cool with them. More power to you. However hardcore to me is about community and positive energy and FSU just doesnt follow that.

[sxcwhitegrl]

i went to my first show in a uber long time the other nite and i forgot how fun it was....even tho i was the only girl in the circle pit...i gess thats kool...o_0 i learned how to 2 step that night too....im pretty good lol

[Virta]

goood job--- im proud of you- YEah two stepping is a hard thing you have to be somewhat rythmic to do it ....
if you have a hard time learning the two step go to a ska concert :P well if u can stand the music. thats where i learnd ^.^

[sxcwhitegrl]

oo thas a good idea i never even thot about that....hmmz

[Virta]

every year in feb we have ska-fest-lots of beer skanking and music...and since im so light i get picked up and go body surfing lol