Straight Edge On The Warped Tour

[collin]

Does anyone know which of the bands on the Warped Tour are sXe?

[SgtD]

probably none

[collin]

that sucks. we should fix that. your band's good, why don't you guys try to get on it?

[straightXed]

Does anyone know which of the bands on the Warped Tour are sXe?

the warped tour isn't a typically hardcore thing

[SgtD]

that sucks. we should fix that. your band's good, why don't you guys try to get on it?
i don't think we should fix that. the warped tour sucks as it is, and i don't want to support anything like that.
thanks for the compliment, but we stick to underground/diy shows and venues. (and even if we wanted to play on warped tour we couldn't. plus my band isn't straight edge)

[collin]

maybe we could have a straight edge tour, get a label to sponsor it.... anyways, would your band be interested in playing a show in TN?

[straightXed]

maybe we could have a straight edge tour, get a label to sponsor it.... anyways, would your band be interested in playing a show in TN?

Straightedge bands tour all the time.

[SgtD]

maybe we could have a straight edge tour, get a label to sponsor it.... anyways, would your band be interested in playing a show in TN?
in summer, if you are planning to pay 4 return airplane tickets, and give us a place to sleep, no problem with that

[stepinsideissue]

in summer, if you are planning to pay 4 return airplane tickets, and give us a place to sleep, no problem with that


Out of curiosity how much do you think it would cost to fly you to the states?

[stepinsideissue]

Does anyone know which of the bands on the Warped Tour are sXe?


This was a joke right?

[SgtD]

Out of curiosity how much do you think it would cost to fly you to the states?
about 4000$

[straightXed]

about 4000$

Thats for the whole band i assume.

[xvunderx]

Thats for the whole band i assume.

Dini is valuable property, it's first classs all the way with the hooters girls!

[SgtD]

Thats for the whole band i assume.
yeah

[SgtD]

Dini is valuable property, it's first classs all the way with the hooters girls!
hahaha! right on!

[stepinsideissue]

And they use 24 karat gold plated diamond encrusted guitars too. Shipping isn't cheap.

[SgtD]

And they use 24 karat gold plated diamond encrusted guitars too. Shipping isn't cheap.
if you want hte best, you need to pay the price!

[stepinsideissue]

if you want hte best, you need to pay the price!


Thats what I tell my wife about all the money I spend on strippers.

[SgtD]

Thats what I tell my wife about all the money I spend on strippers.
hahaha!

[gatsaw]

if you want hte best, you need to pay the price!
you can come to sweden instead, it´s way cheaper and i´ll even come down and pick you up with my private jet if you wanna.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Does anyone know which of the bands on the Warped Tour are sXe?

Only band i know that is even edge is Bleeding Through. And they don't sing edge music.

[collin]

they are good though

[xsecx]

they are good though

bleeding through is many things, good is not among them.

[gatsaw]

bleeding through is many things, good is not among them.
is cute among them?

[collin]

bleeding through is many things, good is not among them.
they've got some serious talent.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

bleeding through is many things, good is not among them.

Hey, everyone has their own opinions. If you're more into technical hardcore, then they're a match. I know Brandan personally (lead singer) he actually grew up listening to edge music of course, and their already talking about their next record (the truth JUST came out...) and they're thinking about putting their edge songs on their (because they actually have a few)

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Hey, everyone has their own opinions. If you're more into technical hardcore, then they're a match. I know Brandan personally (lead singer) he actually grew up listening to edge music of course, and their already talking about their next record (the truth JUST came out...) and they're thinking about putting their edge songs on their (because they actually have a few)

there is nothing hardcore about that band's music.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

there is nothing hardcore about that band's music.
not hardcore punk. But their is, actually. Certain elements draw from hardcore. Technical hardcore ISN'T hardcore. That's how I differentiate between modern hardcore bands and the REAL hardcore bands of old times (minor threat, misfits, circle jerks...). Technical hardcore tends to not use standard tuning (usually a dropped tuning) and it draws, rhythmically, upon classic hardcore. But that's about it. It's a pointless change. I wouldn't classify it as hardcore, but I have nothing else to call it. So I made it up, I guess. Hardcore punk and technical (modern) hardcore.

But yeah, I really don't agree alot is hardcore about them. At least not in the classic definition of the term.

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not hardcore punk. But their is, actually. Certain elements draw from hardcore. Technical hardcore ISN'T hardcore. That's how I differentiate between modern hardcore bands and the REAL hardcore bands of old times (minor threat, misfits, circle jerks...). Technical hardcore tends to not use standard tuning (usually a dropped tuning) and it draws, rhythmically, upon classic hardcore. But that's about it. It's a pointless change. I wouldn't classify it as hardcore, but I have nothing else to call it. So I made it up, I guess. Hardcore punk and technical (modern) hardcore.

But yeah, I really don't agree alot is hardcore about them. At least not in the classic definition of the term.

circle jerks and misfits were punk bands. not hardcore. minor threat was. ssd was. dys was along with a shit load past and present. You take a contemporary hardcore band like have heart or verse and you compare it to bleeding through or throwdown and there's no question they have completely different sounds. To call them hardcore isn't accurate or fair to actually hardcore bands and doing so is leading to some serious misconceptions as to what hardcore is or sounds like. the following bands are not hardcore. eighteen visions, throwdown, bleeding through, from autumn to ashes, atreyu, etc.

[mouseman004]

circle jerks and misfits were punk bands. not hardcore. minor threat was. ssd was. dys was along with a shit load past and present. You take a contemporary hardcore band like have heart or verse and you compare it to bleeding through or throwdown and there's no question they have completely different sounds. To call them hardcore isn't accurate or fair to actually hardcore bands and doing so is leading to some serious misconceptions as to what hardcore is or sounds like. the following bands are not hardcore. eighteen visions, throwdown, bleeding through, from autumn to ashes, atreyu, etc.


Throwdown are hxc

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

circle jerks and misfits were punk bands. not hardcore. minor threat was. ssd was. dys was along with a shit load past and present. You take a contemporary hardcore band like have heart or verse and you compare it to bleeding through or throwdown and there's no question they have completely different sounds. To call them hardcore isn't accurate or fair to actually hardcore bands and doing so is leading to some serious misconceptions as to what hardcore is or sounds like. the following bands are not hardcore. eighteen visions, throwdown, bleeding through, from autumn to ashes, atreyu, etc.
I am in no way disagreeing with you, in any sense. Except, I think the Misfits had alot of influence on hardcore. BUT! Yeah, hardcore (as in original hardcore) bands still exist, but other bands are being called hardcore, when they should list hardcore as an influence. Bands like 18V have hardcore punk, but mixed with gothic music, industrial music, and primarily, metal. I know exactly what you mean, but I have no clue as to what to call these new bands. I can't call them new metal, because that gets grouped with nu-metal such as korn and system of a down. I typically call them metalcore.


However, what do you consider bands such as terror and bury your dead?

[mouseman004]

Throwdown are hxc


Well old throwdown....new stuff is more metal

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Well old throwdown....new stuff is more metal

exactly haha. it's more intruiging. something different. but i still want that old band to play.

[stepinsideissue]

I am in no way disagreeing with you, in any sense. Except, I think the Misfits had alot of influence on hardcore. BUT! Yeah, hardcore (as in original hardcore) bands still exist, but other bands are being called hardcore, when they should list hardcore as an influence. Bands like 18V have hardcore punk, but mixed with gothic music, industrial music, and primarily, metal. I know exactly what you mean, but I have no clue as to what to call these new bands. I can't call them new metal, because that gets grouped with nu-metal such as korn and system of a down. I typically call them metalcore.


However, what do you consider bands such as terror and bury your dead?


Bury your dead is metal.

[straightXed]

Well what a supprise, the thread about the warped tour turned into a shit music thread, theres a definite connection there!

[xsecx]

Throwdown are hxc

you need to listen to some real hardcore if you believe that.

[xsecx]

I am in no way disagreeing with you, in any sense. Except, I think the Misfits had alot of influence on hardcore. BUT! Yeah, hardcore (as in original hardcore) bands still exist, but other bands are being called hardcore, when they should list hardcore as an influence. Bands like 18V have hardcore punk, but mixed with gothic music, industrial music, and primarily, metal. I know exactly what you mean, but I have no clue as to what to call these new bands. I can't call them new metal, because that gets grouped with nu-metal such as korn and system of a down. I typically call them metalcore.


However, what do you consider bands such as terror and bury your dead?

influence doesn't mean anything. I could be influenced by jazz but if I'm doing gangster rap, it's not jazz. This is the problem with the kids today. something new happens so you want to co-opt an old term that already means something to use to describe something new rather than coming up with something new. PS hardcore punk doesn't exist and with the exception of arugably in the early 80s never did.

[collin]

so who do you suggest as a "good" hXc band?

[xsecx]

so who do you suggest as a "good" hXc band?

that's around right now, betrayed, verse, have heart, blue monday, the first step.

[collin]

what about stuff like DYS and Negative Approach?

[xsecx]

what about stuff like DYS and Negative Approach?

dys stuff on wolfpack was good, but their later fire and ice stuff was pretty bad. and most people have a lot of love for negative approach but were one of those bands I never go into. but you're also talking about bands that haven't been around for a very long time.

[collin]

dys stuff on wolfpack was good, but their later fire and ice stuff was pretty bad. and most people have a lot of love for negative approach but were one of those bands I never go into. but you're also talking about bands that haven't been around for a very long time.
true, but it really seems to me like music has kinda headed downhill recently, and i really like the old stuff better than most of the new stuff...i agree that fire and ice wasn't great.....

[straightXed]

true, but it really seems to me like music has kinda headed downhill recently, and i really like the old stuff better than most of the new stuff...i agree that fire and ice wasn't great.....

What new stuff are you saying has headed downhill?

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

influence doesn't mean anything. I could be influenced by jazz but if I'm doing gangster rap, it's not jazz. This is the problem with the kids today. something new happens so you want to co-opt an old term that already means something to use to describe something new rather than coming up with something new. PS hardcore punk doesn't exist and with the exception of arugably in the early 80s never did.

Then what would you label music today? Don't tell me "shit" or "crap." Because that's your opinion. What would you label bleeding through.

and influence has everything to with the music. If you're influenced by jazz, and you do rap, that means that their's a jazzy feel somewhere in the rap. jazz is thrown into the equation. This is how work, and this is how I feel. So I'm pretty much done arguing this. You can be influenced from everyhting, and it will SHOW IN YOUR MUSIC. Period. No other arguement is even close to the truth.

[xsecx]

Then what would you label music today? Don't tell me "shit" or "crap." Because that's your opinion. What would you label bleeding through.

and influence has everything to with the music. If you're influenced by jazz, and you do rap, that means that their's a jazzy feel somewhere in the rap. jazz is thrown into the equation. This is how work, and this is how I feel. So I'm pretty much done arguing this. You can be influenced from everyhting, and it will SHOW IN YOUR MUSIC. Period. No other arguement is even close to the truth.

stuff like bleeding through and throwdown is metal. It doesn't even sound anything remotely similar to hardcore. influence can lead to new things, it doesn't lead to old terms being co-opted and turned into something meaning less. Jazz was influenced by blues. Reggae was influenced by ska. However they don't call bob marley ska. And the reason is because it's something different and new. Throwing core on the end of it doesn't make something new. It's using inaccurate terms for use of marketing.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

stuff like bleeding through and throwdown is metal. It doesn't even sound anything remotely similar to hardcore. influence can lead to new things, it doesn't lead to old terms being co-opted and turned into something meaning less. Jazz was influenced by blues. Reggae was influenced by ska. However they don't call bob marley ska. And the reason is because it's something different and new. Throwing core on the end of it doesn't make something new. It's using inaccurate terms for use of marketing.


see i agree with this. EXCEPT that they draw upon hardcore concepts with the rhythms, and a true metalcore band has a drummer that can do alot of two steps beats. thats where the difference is.

[mouseman004]

stuff like bleeding through and throwdown is metal. It doesn't even sound anything remotely similar to hardcore. influence can lead to new things, it doesn't lead to old terms being co-opted and turned into something meaning less. Jazz was influenced by blues. Reggae was influenced by ska. However they don't call bob marley ska. And the reason is because it's something different and new. Throwing core on the end of it doesn't make something new. It's using inaccurate terms for use of marketing.


What about bands like hatebreed, 100 demons, full blown chaos, sworn enemy, death before dishonor..that sort of band...what would you classify them as?

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What about bands like hatebreed, 100 demons, full blown chaos, sworn enemy, death before dishonor..that sort of band...what would you classify them as?

out of that band, the only one I've heard is hatebreed. and hatebreed is a hardcore band. seriously though. how can you kids listen to hardcore and have any question as to what a hardcore band sounds like?

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see i agree with this. EXCEPT that they draw upon hardcore concepts with the rhythms, and a true metalcore band has a drummer that can do alot of two steps beats. thats where the difference is.

what does that statement even mean? the whole point of putting core at the end of things is marketing, nothing else. and you're feeding it by calling crappy metal, "metal core". now go put on rain on the parade and listen to bodybag on repeat until you get it.

[mouseman004]

out of that band, the only one I've heard is hatebreed. and hatebreed is a hardcore band. seriously though. how can you kids listen to hardcore and have any question as to what a hardcore band sounds like?


It was more of a sarcastic comment, Those bands are hxc but alot of times people have very different opinions of what hxc is so i was wondering what your views on those bands were

[stepinsideissue]

It was more of a sarcastic comment, Those bands are hxc but alot of times people have very different opinions of what hxc is so i was wondering what your views on those bands were


What diffrent opinions. That's what I really can't get out of all this. There aren't diffrent types of hardcore music. There is hardcore music and there is stuff that isn't hardcore music. It's pretty simple if you ask me.

[xsecx]

It was more of a sarcastic comment, Those bands are hxc but alot of times people have very different opinions of what hxc is so i was wondering what your views on those bands were

given what you've expressed as hardcore in the past, I'll take your opinion on it with a grain of salt. THere's only two kinds of hardcore. the stuff that IS hardcore, and then the stuff that's marketed as hardcore. ie most stuff on bridge 9 vs all stuff on trustkill. If it's on trustkill and has been put out in the last 6 or so years. it's not hardcore.

[collin]

given what you've expressed as hardcore in the past, I'll take your opinion on it with a grain of salt. THere's only two kinds of hardcore. the stuff that IS hardcore, and then the stuff that's marketed as hardcore. ie most stuff on bridge 9 vs all stuff on trustkill. If it's on trustkill and has been put out in the last 6 or so years. it's not hardcore.
so in your opinion, is hardcore dying? and which is better old stuff or new?

[xsecx]

so in your opinion, is hardcore dying? and which is better old stuff or new?

I wouldn't say it's dying yet, but if things keep going how they are then yes it will be. Older stuff is better, but only because of the number of bands. Now there are only a handful of really good fun bands doing stuff, where as 10 years ago there were shows every weekend in every town.

[SgtD]

What about bands like hatebreed, 100 demons, full blown chaos, sworn enemy, death before dishonor..that sort of band...what would you classify them as?
i saw sworn enemy, hatebreed, and death before dishonor, they are all hardcore bands, and they have quite similar sounds too
the others i have not seen, and don't know them.

the thing i hate is this: metal bands try to make it big through the hardcore scene. i'M talking about bands like bleeding through. they relate to hardcore only by the singer's black flag tattoo. in an interview the singer said they are "thrash core" there you have it. this is just labeling, like some recommendation you see on bands' cd's their label put on them for example "sounds like gorilla biscuits, madball, american nihgtmare" but you know these bands don't sound the same at all, these are just marketing tricks to make you get into the band or buy the cd

i love me some metal, slayer, sodom and other old farts, as well as recent bands. for the record, you can come up with stuff like "oh but teh guys from bleeding through are part of the scene, and they always have been even before the band was formed." i foresee bands forming who don't know the roots of hardcore like the bleeding through members probably do, and there are going to bands influenced by them and their fellow metal bands under the flag metalcore. which sickens me even thinking about.

[collin]

I wouldn't say it's dying yet, but if things keep going how they are then yes it will be. Older stuff is better, but only because of the number of bands. Now there are only a handful of really good fun bands doing stuff, where as 10 years ago there were shows every weekend in every town.
i really wish i had been there back then, it must have been awesome.

[SgtD]

i really wish i had been there back then, it must have been awesome.
History isn't honest
It doesn't tell the tale of how things used to be in "the day"
Now everyone keeps trying to recapture a feeling
That's long since gone
Time to move along
Spirit of '81 - Time to get it back
Spirit of '81 - It flew off the track
Spirit of '81 - Time to resurrect
Spirit of '81 - It's better off dead
The new kids talk about the old days
As if it was some kind of perfect scene for us
Big deal - So I was there - It was only luck that I was born before you
Take your shitty bands - saying they were great
Believe me, nobody cares
So I'm old and cranky - But at least I'm right
Sure the old days were great but lets move on

[mouseman004]

given what you've expressed as hardcore in the past, I'll take your opinion on it with a grain of salt. THere's only two kinds of hardcore. the stuff that IS hardcore, and then the stuff that's marketed as hardcore. ie most stuff on bridge 9 vs all stuff on trustkill. If it's on trustkill and has been put out in the last 6 or so years. it's not hardcore.

This was kind of an uncalled for comment, especially considering the only band i have ever mentioned on here was throwdown. And for the record when i mentioned throwdown i said old stuff (before trustkill) was hxc..new stuff was metal. And as far as your general comment about trustkill, i agree on most parts, but there are a few exceptions....terror are hxc and so is a new band thats just come out called first blood.

And the reason i say that there are different opinions of hxc is because people do have very different opinions of hxc....you can go into rooms and talk about a band like hatebreed and someone will say "thats not hardcore" because to alot of people, popular bands are not hardcore. These opinions are not right, but i was not wrong when I said that people had very different views on what hxc was.

[collin]

History isn't honest
It doesn't tell the tale of how things used to be in "the day"
Now everyone keeps trying to recapture a feeling
That's long since gone
Time to move along
Spirit of '81 - Time to get it back
Spirit of '81 - It flew off the track
Spirit of '81 - Time to resurrect
Spirit of '81 - It's better off dead
The new kids talk about the old days
As if it was some kind of perfect scene for us
Big deal - So I was there - It was only luck that I was born before you
Take your shitty bands - saying they were great
Believe me, nobody cares
So I'm old and cranky - But at least I'm right
Sure the old days were great but lets move on

so who do you recommend as a good new hardcore band

[xsecx]

This was kind of an uncalled for comment, especially considering the only band i have ever mentioned on here was throwdown. And for the record when i mentioned throwdown i said old stuff (before trustkill) was hxc..new stuff was metal. And as far as your general comment about trustkill, i agree on most parts, but there are a few exceptions....terror are hxc(be it very crappy hxc) and so is a new band thats just come out called first blood.

And the reason i say that there are different opinions of hxc is because people do have very different opinions of hxc....you can go into rooms and talk about a band like hatebreed and someone will say "thats not hardcore" because to alot of people, popular bands are not hardcore. These opinions are not right, but i was not wrong when I said that people had very different views on what hxc was.

throwdown never sounded like a hardcore band though. ever. it's when you make a comment like that that means you don't know what hardcore is and therefore your opinion on the matter is moot. You can go into rooms and get uninformed opinions on lots of subjects. It just means the people talking aren't knowledgable on teh subject.

[collin]

is eighteen visions considered a hxc band, or a metal band?

[mouseman004]

throwdown never sounded like a hardcore band though. ever. it's when you make a comment like that that means you don't know what hardcore is and therefore your opinion on the matter is moot. You can go into rooms and get uninformed opinions on lots of subjects. It just means the people talking aren't knowledgable on teh subject.

wow..

[xsecx]

wow..

seriously. I don't think you know the first thing about what actual hardcore sounds like. Especially given that as of last week you've never heard minor threat.

[mouseman004]

seriously. I don't think you know the first thing about what actual hardcore sounds like. Especially given that as of last week you've never heard minor threat.

First of all, maybe you do know more about hxc than me, i dont care, im relatively new to the type of music. Second of all, your opinion is based entirely on the fact i said that throwdown was hxc? because thats the only band ive mentioned on here that people seem to disagree with me on. finally, i know who minor threat are and i have no idea where you got the idea i havent heard minor threat, because you are wrong

[SgtD]

so who do you recommend as a good new hardcore band
the first step, blue monday, betrayed, internal afairs, break it up, think i care, justice, think i care are the first ones that could think of. these are great bands, get into them

[collin]

tensions run high on the boards once again....

[SgtD]

First of all, maybe you do know more about hxc than me, i dont care, im relatively new to the type of music. Second of all, your opinion is based entirely on the fact i said that throwdown was hxc? because thats the only band ive mentioned on here that people seem to disagree with me on. finally, i know who minor threat are and i have no idea where you got the idea i havent heard minor threat, because you are wrong
isn't that opinion right? you have no clue, at least it seems like that way basedon your comments!

[mouseman004]

isn't that opinion right? you have no clue, at least it seems like that way basedon your comments!

Id like to know what I said to make you think that, aside from me saying throwdown were hxc

[mouseman004]

Id like to know what I said to make you think that, aside from me saying throwdown were hxc


AND for the record, i dont think I know alot about hxc..thats why alot of my posts have been questions, which people have answered very angrily or offensivly

[xsecx]

First of all, maybe you do know more about hxc than me, i dont care, im relatively new to the type of music. Second of all, your opinion is based entirely on the fact i said that throwdown was hxc? because thats the only band ive mentioned on here that people seem to disagree with me on. finally, i know who minor threat are and i have no idea where you got the idea i havent heard minor threat, because you are wrong

http://sxe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3674&page=3

knowing who they are, and hearing them are 2 totally different things. if you haven't heard out of step, then you haven't heard minor threat.

[xsecx]

AND for the record, i dont think I know alot about hxc..thats why alot of my posts have been questions, which people have answered very angrily or offensivly

you learn by asking questions not by making statements of what something is or isn't.

[collin]

you learn by asking questions not by making statements of what something is or isn't.
a lesson that you have taught me well, xsecx. indeed, you have taught me that.

[SgtD]

Id like to know what I said to make you think that, aside from me saying throwdown were hxc
click on your name, and then click on "find all posts by mouseman004" there are gems among those!

there you go

[mouseman004]

click on your name, and then click on "find all posts by mouseman004" there are gems among those!

there you go


thanks for clearing that up....

[collin]

ok question: what exactly defines hxc and separates it from metal? so much stuff is advertised as hardcore, but a lot of it sounds exactly like the stuff that gets advertised as metal. so what defines hxc? sorry, i'm still a newbie, just wanted to ask before i say something else that seems ignorant to everybody else...

[mouseman004]

thanks for clearing that up....


For the record most of my posts regarded sxe, not hxc

[SgtD]

thanks for clearing that up....
not to be a dick, but look at your posts in the christians and edge, and the alcohol in cooking threads. it's clear that you don't know too muhc of things yet, but it's okay, you'll learn. i suggest you should just relax and try to think through what you are about to reply

[SgtD]

For the record most of my posts regarded sxe, not hxc
yeah, but it seems like you don't know too much about hardcore either, if you think throwdown is hardcore.

[collin]

not to be a dick, but look at your posts in the christians and edge, and the alcohol in cooking threads. it's clear that you don't know too muhc of things yet, but it's okay, you'll learn. i suggest you should just relax and try to think through what you are about to reply
good advice there. i'm learning that too, as time goes by.

[mouseman004]

not to be a dick, but look at your posts in the christians and edge, and the alcohol in cooking threads. it's clear that you don't know too muhc of things yet, but it's okay, you'll learn. i suggest you should just relax and try to think through what you are about to reply


I realise alot of my posts have been pretty stupid, and I have admitted defeat to many of them, and i agree, i didnt know as much about sxe as i thought, but to be attacked and told my opinion doesnt matter just because i disagreed on ONE band is ridiculous.

[xsecx]

I realise alot of my posts have been pretty stupid, and I have admitted defeat to many of them, and i agree, i didnt know as much about sxe as i thought, but to be attacked and told my opinion doesnt matter just because i disagreed on ONE band is ridiculous.

and the fact that you never heard minor threat. the 2 bands don't sound anything remotely similar. YOu open your mouth and you insert you foot a lot.

[collin]

I realise alot of my posts have been pretty stupid, and I have admitted defeat to many of them, and i agree, i didnt know as much about sxe as i thought, but to be attacked and told my opinion doesnt matter just because i disagreed on ONE band is ridiculous.
that is ridiculous, but don't let it get to you. just learn from your mistakes, and don't worry if people don't always accept your opinion.

[mouseman004]

and the fact that you never heard minor threat. the 2 bands don't sound anything remotely similar. YOu open your mouth and you insert you foot a lot.

I have heard minor threat

[xsecx]

I have heard minor threat

you just haven't heard one of their most popular songs? I find that really hard to believe. I then find it even harder to believe that you'd think they sounded anything like throwdown. or that throwdown has even changed their sound that much.

[mouseman004]

you just haven't heard one of their most popular songs? I find that really hard to believe. I then find it even harder to believe that you'd think they sounded anything like throwdown. or that throwdown has even changed their sound that much.


hatebreed or sworn enemy dont sound like minor threat

[SgtD]

I realise alot of my posts have been pretty stupid, and I have admitted defeat to many of them, and i agree, i didnt know as much about sxe as i thought, but to be attacked and told my opinion doesnt matter just because i disagreed on ONE band is ridiculous.
who attacked you? and who said your opinion doesn't matter?

[mouseman004]

hatebreed or sworn enemy dont sound like minor threat

i give up

[mouseman004]

who attacked you? and who said your opinion doesn't matter?


xsecx said that i dont know anything about hxc and said my opinion on it didnt matter because i said throwdown was hxc

[mouseman004]

time for class. dont bash me too badly while im gone....

[collin]

ok. so what makes harcore music hardcore? a lot of the stuff advertised as hardcore sounds exactly like the stuff advertised as metal. i'm a newbie, and just wanted to get this cleared up .

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

LOOK! Hatebreed is hardcore because they dont a lead guitar. as i lay dying is not, because they riff. once a guitar riffs and uses seperate notes, it's not hardcore. hardcore is power chords. we both have arguemnts, and neither are gonna give in, because edge kids are hardheaded (a good thing) and don't give in. so just drop it!

[collin]

wow. what a thread....

[straightXed]

LOOK! Hatebreed is hardcore because they dont a lead guitar. as i lay dying is not, because they riff. once a guitar riffs and uses seperate notes, it's not hardcore. hardcore is power chords. we both have arguemnts, and neither are gonna give in, because edge kids are hardheaded (a good thing) and don't give in. so just drop it!

Thats bullshit. Loads of hardcore songs have riffs and a fair few aren't solely structured on fifths.

[xsecx]

LOOK! Hatebreed is hardcore because they dont a lead guitar. as i lay dying is not, because they riff. once a guitar riffs and uses seperate notes, it's not hardcore. hardcore is power chords. we both have arguemnts, and neither are gonna give in, because edge kids are hardheaded (a good thing) and don't give in. so just drop it!

listen to judge.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

listen to judge.
Look, some bands are exceptions. Obviously. Listen to alot of hardcore bands, they're power chords.

But I can't really distinguish between hardcore and "new hardcore". All I can tell is the rhythm section is faster and more distinguished

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

wow. what a thread....


it's true. Us Edgers are the way we are because we're not willing to conform to everyone else's beliefs.

[xsecx]

Look, some bands are exceptions. Obviously. Listen to alot of hardcore bands, they're power chords.

But I can't really distinguish between hardcore and "new hardcore". All I can tell is the rhythm section is faster and more distinguished

what is "new hardcore"?

[collin]

it's true. Us Edgers are the way we are because we're not willing to conform to everyone else's beliefs.
that's technically what makes us Edge, isn't it?

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

that's technically what makes us Edge, isn't it?

exactly. so while we fight and argue about music and stuff, we're just trying to do something that proves fruitless

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

what is "new hardcore"?

...im saying what has been called hardcore in recent times.

[collin]

exactly. so while we fight and argue about music and stuff, we're just trying to do something that proves fruitless
yep.

[xsecx]

...im saying what has been called hardcore in recent times.

then what distinguishes it the most are the vocals.

[collin]

then what distinguishes it the most are the vocals.
what about the vocals? screaming is becoming pretty main for a lot of different genres...

[xsecx]

what about the vocals? screaming is becoming pretty main for a lot of different genres...

hardcore vocals are very distinct, especially in contrast with "metal" ones.

[collin]

hardcore vocals are very distinct, especially in contrast with "metal" ones.
ok, but then you have stuff like screamo. metal or hardcore?

[xsecx]

ok, but then you have stuff like screamo. metal or hardcore?

and that's a problem why?

[xRodboi!x]

What diffrent opinions. That's what I really can't get out of all this. There aren't diffrent types of hardcore music. There is hardcore music and there is stuff that isn't hardcore music. It's pretty simple if you ask me.
there are different hc styles.listen to murphy's law,champion and madball.They're all hc bands but don't sound the same at all

[xRodboi!x]

what is "new hardcore"?
listen to ssd or government issue and then to agnostic front(since liberty and justice...) or madball.there's a big difference and i would called madball stuff new hardcore,it isn't 3 chords with very fast drums.

[xsecx]

listen to ssd or government issue and then to agnostic front(since liberty and justice...) or madball.there's a big difference and i would called madball stuff new hardcore,it isn't 3 chords with very fast drums.

that's all from within the same genre though and does still sound somewhat similar.

[stepinsideissue]

For the record most of my posts regarded sxe, not hxc


With out sounding like a dick as you would put it thats a problem. If you know little or nothing about hXc then you really know little or nothing about sXe. The hXc music is just as much to sXe as the poision free lifestyle.

[stepinsideissue]

what about the vocals? screaming is becoming pretty main for a lot of different genres...


Lets not forget crucial background vocals.

[stepinsideissue]

there are different hc styles.listen to murphy's law,champion and madball.They're all hc bands but don't sound the same at all

Really there aren't. Some small things may change so the bands can sound unique but it all boils down to the same principals and style. hXc is hXc. The rest is not.

[collin]

ok so what defines hardcore? the vocals or the music or the lifestyles? i'm kinda confused, sorry....

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

ok so what defines hardcore? the vocals or the music or the lifestyles? i'm kinda confused, sorry....

I think that we can all agree hardcore has to do with music and vocals, not the lifestyle. Lifestyle is stuff like sXe.

[collin]

I think that we can all agree hardcore has to do with music and vocals, not the lifestyle. Lifestyle is stuff like sXe.
but what makes it different from other genres that scream?

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

but what makes it different from other genres that scream?
Hm...I'm trying to figure that out now.

[stepinsideissue]

ok so what defines hardcore? the vocals or the music or the lifestyles? i'm kinda confused, sorry....


There is no one thing that defines hardcore music. You seem really set on the screaming. Not everything that has screamed vocals is hardcore.

[mouseman004]

There is no one thing that defines hardcore music. You seem really set on the screaming. Not everything that has screamed vocals is hardcore.


example: Metal.....HUGELY different genre (although there are few similarities)

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

example: Metal.....HUGELY different genre (although there are few similarities)


but what are the differences, besides lyrics usually speaking about stupid shit.

[mouseman004]

but what are the differences, besides lyrics usually speaking about stupid shit.


I dont know alot about the mechanics of hxc but i can give some general differences. They sound completely different, metal doesnt have devestating breakdowns like most hxc bands, then there is the obvious example of lyrics, compare a band like cannibal corpse to a band like hatebreed. The vocals are completely different, yeah its screaming but its very different screaming (i dont know how to explain it so its a crappy argument but what can ya do). Like stated by many others as well as me, i dont know alot about hxc but these are some of the differences i notice.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

I dont know alot about the mechanics of hxc but i can give some general differences. They sound completely different, metal doesnt have devestating breakdowns like most hxc bands, then there is the obvious example of lyrics, compare a band like cannibal corpse to a band like hatebreed. The vocals are completely different, yeah its screaming but its very different screaming (i dont know how to explain it so its a crappy argument but what can ya do). Like stated by many others as well as me, i dont know alot about hxc but these are some of the differences i notice.


but people here say hatebreed isnt hxc, which makes no sense.

[mouseman004]

but people here say hatebreed isnt hxc, which makes no sense.


Alot of people say alot of things, thats why you have to make the distinction yourself....hatebreed is hxc (yeah people will bitch cuz they will say i dont know what hxc is..but i dont really care)

[xsecx]

but people here say hatebreed isnt hxc, which makes no sense.

who said they weren't hardcore?

[mouseman004]

but people here say hatebreed isnt hxc, which makes no sense.


People said throwdown wasnt hxc, not hatebreed

[stepinsideissue]

Hatebreed crackes me up. Jamey Jasta looks like he's about 10-12 years old and then you hear that voice.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

People said throwdown wasnt hxc, not hatebreed


ahh! mouse, didn't you say that hatebreed sounds nothing like minor threat. Okay, now I'm confused. does everyone consider hatebreed hardcore? and what about OLD throwdown.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

People said throwdown wasnt hxc, not hatebreed

oh and what about norma jean?

[straightXed]

oh and what about norma jean?

Worst band ever.

[xsecx]

ahh! mouse, didn't you say that hatebreed sounds nothing like minor threat. Okay, now I'm confused. does everyone consider hatebreed hardcore? and what about OLD throwdown.

old throwdown never sounds like hardcore either. I seriously have to question what you kids understand about hardcore and what it sounds like if you keep using that band as an example. it's like saying earth crisis was a hardcore band.

[mouseman004]

ahh! mouse, didn't you say that hatebreed sounds nothing like minor threat. Okay, now I'm confused. does everyone consider hatebreed hardcore? and what about OLD throwdown.


I was proving a point, the argument was that throwdown enver sounded like minor threat so they were never hxc....so then i mentioned that hatebreed didnt sound like minor threat but they are still hxc, thats all it was, i didnt mean that hatebreed wasnt hxc

[stepinsideissue]

old throwdown never sounds like hardcore either. I seriously have to question what you kids understand about hardcore and what it sounds like if you keep using that band as an example. it's like saying earth crisis was a hardcore band.


Why wasn't Earth Crisis a hXc band.

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Why wasn't Earth Crisis a hXc band.

because they played shitty metal?

[XshiXnyX]

THE END OF MUSIC IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!

(Look at hawthorne heights)

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

because they played shitty metal?

Finally, for once, i can agree with you on this ahha.

i listen to alot of music, not really one genre, and everything I listen to seems to blend, so I really don't classify shit. I mean...I listen to dillenger escape plan, norma jean and some other stuff. But I also listen to Minor Threat, Youth of Today, Judge, Hatebreed and alot of other stuff. BUt I also listen jazz and stuff ahha.So I don't classify stuff too well.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

THE END OF MUSIC IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!

(Look at hawthorne heights)



Yeah...apocolypse is here. Run around nude....again. Or...lets put bags on our heads and lay down- Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[collin]

oh and what about norma jean?
not an incredibly bad band, i've heard far worse.......

[straightXed]

not an incredibly bad band, i've heard far worse.......

Yeah but you like a bunch of awful shit so i guess that would make sense.

[collin]

Yeah but you like a bunch of awful shit so i guess that would make sense.
i listen to everything: jazz, oldies, bluegrass, screamo, hardcore, anything but rap.... just because we differ in what we like and what we don't doesn't necessarily make what i listen to bad....

[straightXed]

i listen to everything: jazz, oldies, bluegrass, screamo, hardcore, anything but rap.... just because we differ in what we like and what we don't doesn't necessarily make what i listen to bad....

No, its not bad because it's different to what i listen to but the bands and films you list clearly show you have poor taste.

[mouseman004]

No, its not bad because it's different to what i listen to but the bands and films you list clearly show you have poor taste.


Realistically though, just because you think he has poor taste, doesnt mean he actually does, it just means you think he does.

[collin]

Realistically though, just because you think he has poor taste, doesnt mean he actually does, it just means you think he does.
thank you. poor taste is a matter of opinion.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

thank you. poor taste is a matter of opinion.

three cheers for poor taste!

[straightXed]

Realistically though, just because you think he has poor taste, doesnt mean he actually does, it just means you think he does.

Yeah but its his opinion too, he says he likes terrible stupid movies, its like his favourite type of movie.

But it still stands, even though he thinks he has poor taste its just his opinion of his taste and doesn't mean that he does - but jesus christ thats a conflicting message in his head right there especially when he's prepared to argue with himself about his opinion being poor or not.

[straightXed]

three cheers for poor taste!

See accepting bad taste isn't such a bad thing, its better than lying to yourself that your taste on certain things is good when you know it really isn't.

[straightXed]

thank you. poor taste is a matter of opinion.

And all i said was your poor taste would shed light on the reason why you don't think a bad band is all that bad. My opinion remains that they are a bad band and when you say they aren't so bad you have to accept the posts that gave an idea to your taste, you had already illustrated and admitted to liking terrible movies ergo poor taste but you then reject the idea when people take the opinion, that you yourself gave life to, and use it? You further proved this with the adamant rejection of you having poor taste and listed vauge catagorys of music, all the genres of music you listed have bad music in them so it doesn't really illustrate weather your taste is good or bad. However when you admit to liking what you describe as stupid and terrible its not so bad as an action but don't lie to yourself about not having poor taste.

[stepinsideissue]

because they played shitty metal?


What about All Out War and Firestorm? The others I'll agaree with. Being metal. Not shitty. We all know my bad taste.

[SgtD]

What about All Out War and Firestorm? The others I'll agaree with. Being metal. Not shitty. We all know my bad taste.
i never heard of them...but those are earth crisis songs, so....

[xsecx]

What about All Out War and Firestorm? The others I'll agaree with. Being metal. Not shitty. We all know my bad taste.

metal.

[collin]

Yeah but its his opinion too, he says he likes terrible stupid movies, its like his favourite type of movie.
which has absolutely nothing to do with my taste in music.

[straightXed]

which has absolutely nothing to do with my taste in music.

Of course it does, if you display poor taste as a characteristic its perfectly acceptable to conclude that you are likely to have poor taste in other areas also. And seeing as all i did was suggest that your taste in other things would make sense that you thought norma jean weren't bad i don't see what the problem is. Unless you are now going to say you have immpecable taste in music?

[collin]

Of course it does, if you display poor taste as a characteristic its perfectly acceptable to conclude that you are likely to have poor taste in other areas also. And seeing as all i did was suggest that your taste in other things would make sense that you thought norma jean weren't bad i don't see what the problem is. Unless you are now going to say you have immpecable taste in music?
my taste in music is just fine for me....

[straightXed]

my taste in music is just fine for me....

Of course, it seems you are unable to comprehend basic concepts. Just because you like it doesn't mean your taste is good, when you are honest with yourself you may realise you may like somethings that you can also see as crappy. But you are rather stuck up your own ass to see that and get very protective over your taste in things.

[collin]

Of course, it seems you are unable to comprehend basic concepts. Just because you like it doesn't mean your taste is good, when you are honest with yourself you may realise you may like somethings that you can also see as crappy. But you are rather stuck up your own ass to see that and get very protective over your taste in things.
so who determines good taste?

[kelly]

so who determines good taste?

The senior members of this forum, I think.

[straightXed]

so who determines good taste?

depends on what the subject is really.

[collin]

depends on what the subject is really.
ok, who determines good taste in music and/or movies?

[straightXed]

ok, who determines good taste in music and/or movies?

Honesty in accordance quality and content.

[stepinsideissue]

The senior members of this forum, I think.


And who are these so called senior members you talk about?

[SgtD]

And who are these so called senior members you talk about?
old farts like you!

[SgtD]

oh wait, you like earth crisis...

[XshiXnyX]

Worst band ever.

Im in love with the band </3

[straightXed]

Im in love with the band </3

Do you idolise them?

[stepinsideissue]

Do you idolise them?


Has a closet shrine. Pictures and candles and the lot.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Im in love with the band </3


NORMA JEAN. RIGHT?

[XshiXnyX]

Do you idolise them?

No, I just love them.

[XshiXnyX]

Has a closet shrine. Pictures and candles and the lot.

I should really do that, Just to see how it would feel

[XshiXnyX]

NORMA JEAN. RIGHT?

No, hawthorne heights. SIIIIIIIIIIKE
Yea, Norma jean =P

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

No, hawthorne heights. SIIIIIIIIIIKE
Yea, Norma jean =P

I love norma jean. But hawethorne heights is worse then the devil. They have three guitarists that play the same god damn crappy chords together.

[XshiXnyX]

I love norma jean. But hawethorne heights is worse then the devil. They have three guitarists that play the same god damn crappy chords together.

To tell you the truth, I never really got into the whole hawthore heights thing. They just seemed like one of those bands that wouldent make it. Guess someone proved me wrong ><

[stepinsideissue]

I should really do that, Just to see how it would feel


Kinda creepy is how it would feel.

[xXxRoLLyxXx]

if as i lay dying is there for some reason or underoath or story of the year.........yeah just maybe....

[XshiXnyX]

Kinda creepy is how it would feel.

So its NOT ok to pray to them right? just makins sure, its not like ive DONE that or anything. I mean, who would do that? =)

[stepinsideissue]

So its NOT ok to pray to them right? just makins sure, its not like ive DONE that or anything. I mean, who would do that? =)


I'm pretty sure it's mentally unhealthy to pray to them. And god might not like that if you're one of those " christian edge " kids.

[xMoranXArmyx]

Does anyone know which of the bands on the Warped Tour are sXe?

um...i would venture to say none. cept i heard that norma jean played warped tour. supposedly they are sXe, but i dont like them. other than that, i dont know of any sXe bands on warped. besides, warped has gone to hell. their punk rock lineup's suck now.

[XshiXnyX]

I'm pretty sure it's mentally unhealthy to pray to them. And god might not like that if you're one of those " christian edge " kids.

Well, Im not exactly what you could call a "straight up" christian. But we already have a thread about this now dont we?

[xMoranXArmyx]

screamo should be banned...such a useless form of music

[atXdawnXweXburn]

I love norma jean. But hawethorne heights is worse then the devil. They have three guitarists that play the same god damn crappy chords together.

i have to agree. norma jean rocks hard, but hawthorne heights just makes me want to scream. they're horrible

[stepinsideissue]

Well, Im not exactly what you could call a "straight up" christian. But we already have a thread about this now dont we?


Good call kid. I'm sure there are a few threads about this posted.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

um...i would venture to say none. cept i heard that norma jean played warped tour. supposedly they are sXe, but i dont like them. other than that, i dont know of any sXe bands on warped. besides, warped has gone to hell. their punk rock lineup's suck now.
I don't think Norma Jean is sXe. They're from the south and love barbeques too much.

[SgtD]

I don't think Norma Jean is sXe. They're from the south and love barbeques too much.
i don't know the band, they must be bad with this name, but what's wrong with barbeques?

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

i don't know the band, they must be bad with this name, but what's wrong with barbeques?
barbeques usually involve beer! nah, i know the guys. They aint edge ahah

[stepinsideissue]

I don't think Norma Jean is sXe. They're from the south and love barbeques too much.


That has to be one of the dumbest remarks ever.

[xdoylex]

i don't know the band, they must be bad with this name, but what's wrong with barbeques?


No Norma Jean isn't terrible...Their new CD O God, the Aftermath was a huge waste of money, but their old stuff wasn't all bad.

They tried waay too hard on their new CD. It's a really forced sound.

[XshiXnyX]

No Norma Jean isn't terrible...Their new CD O God, the Aftermath was a huge waste of money, but their old stuff wasn't all bad.

They tried waay too hard on their new CD. It's a really forced sound.
I totally agree, I dont like O god, the aftermath at ALL.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

This was kind of an uncalled for comment, especially considering the only band i have ever mentioned on here was throwdown. And for the record when i mentioned throwdown i said old stuff (before trustkill) was hxc..new stuff was metal. And as far as your general comment about trustkill, i agree on most parts, but there are a few exceptions....terror are hxc and so is a new band thats just come out called first blood.

And the reason i say that there are different opinions of hxc is because people do have very different opinions of hxc....you can go into rooms and talk about a band like hatebreed and someone will say "thats not hardcore" because to alot of people, popular bands are not hardcore. These opinions are not right, but i was not wrong when I said that people had very different views on what hxc was.

This is the funniest thing I've heard.

"....you can go into rooms and talk about a band like hatebreed and someone will say "thats not hardcore" because to alot of people, popular bands are not hardcore. These opinions are not right" An opinion is one's personal view ahahahhaa.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

you just haven't heard one of their most popular songs? I find that really hard to believe. I then find it even harder to believe that you'd think they sounded anything like throwdown. or that throwdown has even changed their sound that much.

Actually, I found some really old throwdown shit. Almost a decade old. It was hardcore...honestly.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Lets not forget crucial background vocals.

I've been recording alot of hardcore, taking a step back from metal (kudos to BMH!) and backround vocals are actually really important.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

I dont know alot about the mechanics of hxc but i can give some general differences. They sound completely different, metal doesnt have devestating breakdowns like most hxc bands, then there is the obvious example of lyrics, compare a band like cannibal corpse to a band like hatebreed. The vocals are completely different, yeah its screaming but its very different screaming (i dont know how to explain it so its a crappy argument but what can ya do). Like stated by many others as well as me, i dont know alot about hxc but these are some of the differences i notice.

Perception is key. You're growing :-)

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stepinsideissue
Why wasn't Earth Crisis a hXc band.


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because they played shitty metal?






This has defined metal for me for the past few months.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

if as i lay dying is there for some reason or underoath or story of the year.........yeah just maybe....

Being a christian band doesn't mean you're edge.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

um...i would venture to say none. cept i heard that norma jean played warped tour. supposedly they are sXe, but i dont like them. other than that, i dont know of any sXe bands on warped. besides, warped has gone to hell. their punk rock lineup's suck now.

They're christian. not edge. they drink communion wine=fact. they have barbeques=fact.
they drink beer at barbeques=fact. Love the guys=fact. Nice as hell=fact.

[straightXed]

They're christian. not edge. they drink communion wine=fact. they have barbeques=fact.
they drink beer at barbeques=fact. Love the guys=fact. Nice as hell=fact.

Hell isn't supposed to be nice - fact, you could have just said they drink beer instead of all this pointless talk about barbeques - fact.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Hell isn't supposed to be nice - fact, you could have just said they drink beer instead of all this pointless talk about barbeques - fact.

I could've but how often to I take the low road?

[straightXed]

I could've but how often to I take the low road?

Its not a case of high or low but rather relevant and irrelevant .

[azashi]

AFI are one of the straightedged bands - well...two of the members anyways =P Ahh. Damnit, I really wanna go to the Warped Tour cause they're playing at the Thunderbird Stadium at Vancouver. You know what? I think I'll stalk whatever band I can find on the UBC campus. Lol.

[xsecx]

AFI are one of the straightedged bands - well...two of the members anyways =P Ahh. Damnit, I really wanna go to the Warped Tour cause they're playing at the Thunderbird Stadium at Vancouver. You know what? I think I'll stalk whatever band I can find on the UBC campus. Lol.

Why do kids think AFI is a straight edge band?

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Why do kids think AFI is a straight edge band?


I don't know? Davey Havok runs around naked backstage after shooting up. Saw it with my own two eyes.

[mouseman004]

I don't know? Davey Havok runs around naked backstage after shooting up. Saw it with my own two eyes.


Isn't Davey Edge? I know the band isnt an edge band, but I thought Davey was.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

Isn't Davey Edge? I know the band isnt an edge band, but I thought Davey was.
Nope!

[xCrucialDudex]

then what distinguishes it the most are the vocals.

hardcore vocals are very distinct, especially in contrast with "metal" ones.

what does that mean?

How hardcore vocals are *very* distinct when so many bands sing in a really different manner?

That doesn't help to distinguish *true* hardcore band from the marketed one.

[xsecx]

what does that mean?

How hardcore vocals are *very* distinct when so many bands sing in a really different manner?

That doesn't help to distinguish *true* hardcore band from the marketed one.

how can they sing in a very different manner and still be hardcore? Provide examples of in support of this statement. When you compare bands like the answer, blue monday, verse, have heart, to 18 visions, throwdown, you're going to try and tell me that my statement doesn't hold?

[xCrucialDudex]

how can they sing in a very different manner and still be hardcore?

same question here, how can they have very distinct vocals while they sound different within the genre?

you mean to say that any band performing vocally the way exactly

the answer, blue monday, verse, have heart
are to be regarded as a proper hardcore band?

Is that your point?

[xsecx]

same question here, how can they have very distinct vocals while they sound different within the genre?

you mean to say that any band performing vocally the way exactly


if they sound completely different, they're not part of the same genre. you're somehow trying to say that they are?



are to be regarded as a proper hardcore band?

Is that your point?

that is the point. they all have similar vocals. now, provide some support for your statement.

[xCrucialDudex]

if they sound completely different, they're not part of the same genre. you're somehow trying to say that they are?

yes, if they sound different (not completely as you added) vocally.
Take MT and Hatebreed and Killswitch Engage.

Does MT vocally sounds similar to Hatebreed? (difference within the genre)
MT vocally sounds different to Killswitch Engage (difference between the genres)
Killswitch Engage vocally sounds quite similar to Hatebreed (difference between genres: hxc and new breed of metal incorporating hardcore vocals, let alone singer's appearance -> i don't push it as a a distinctive characteristic, rather as a sidenote; hardcore vocalist singing hardcore vocals in the metal band)

Now add xLooking Forwardx and/or Ignite and we have a spectrum of different types of vocal performance within the genre.

How how can one differentiate anything according to your statement?
I can't.

[xCrucialDudex]

that is the point. they all have similar vocals. now, provide some support for your statement.

there is sense in such approach, by all means.
I personally, tend to distinguish hardcore bands primarily by type of vocal performance as well as lyrics, then goes music itself of course.

You see, you were saying previously that kids nowadays take any band and think it to be hardcore, and you act as if you know that that's not right and you've got your arguments.
If there are more of you arguments like this one you're far from knowing the whole deal either.

Get it right please. You obviously know about hxc scene more than me, but your concrete statement just doesn't answer the question you were asked.

[xsecx]

yes, if they sound different (not completely as you added) vocally.
Take MT and Hatebreed and Killswitch Engage.

Does MT vocally sounds similar to Hatebreed? (difference within the genre)
MT vocally sounds different to Killswitch Engage (difference between the genres)
Killswitch Engage vocally sounds quite similar to Hatebreed (difference between genres: hxc and new breed of metal incorporating hardcore vocals, let alone singer's appearance -> i don't push it as a a distinctive characteristic, rather as a sidenote; hardcore vocalist singing hardcore vocals in the metal band)

Now add xLooking Forwardx and/or Ignite and we have a spectrum of different types of vocal performance within the genre.

How how can one differentiate anything according to your statement?
I can't.

you're trying to compare music 20 years apart with recent music. you're not trying to compare apples to apples. 80s hardcore vocals all sound similar.

I'm not quite sure what the point of your post is? hardcore vocals are distinct from "metal" ones, ie 18 visions and throwdown, which is what is actually being discussed. For your argument to hold any water, hardcore wouldn't have any distinquishing characteristics and genre's wouldn't exist.

[mouseman004]

you're trying to compare music 20 years apart with recent music. you're not trying to compare apples to apples. 80s hardcore vocals all sound similar.

I'm not quite sure what the point of your post is? hardcore vocals are distinct from "metal" ones, ie 18 visions and throwdown, which is what is actually being discussed. For your argument to hold any water, hardcore wouldn't have any distinquishing characteristics and genre's wouldn't exist.

A lot of hardcore bands sound very different vocally though. Take 100 Demons and Sworn Enemy and compare them to Blue Monday or Verse. All 4 bands are hxc, however 100 Demons and Sworn enemy have very different vocals from Blue Monday and Verse.

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A lot of hardcore bands sound very different vocally though. Take 100 Demons and Sworn Enemy and compare them to Blue Monday or Verse. All 4 bands are hxc, however 100 Demons and Sworn enemy have very different vocals from Blue Monday and Verse.


100 demons market themselves in metal circles as well as citing influence from metal artists and their metal influence is very audible much more so than any flavour of hardcore. Sworn enemy also do this neither band are straight up hardcore bands regardless of any influence they have taken from hardcore and both sound more like metal. Verse and blue monday are straight up hardcore and straight up hardcore is very different from the other bands you mentioned.

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i didnt wanna look thru all 14 pages so i dont know if anyone said this but remembering never was one edge band that played warped.

[xCrucialDudex]

you're trying to compare music 20 years apart with recent music. you're not trying to compare apples to apples. 80s hardcore vocals all sound similar.

I do it intentionally, since... well lets be fair - that all is hardcore.

I can remeber you said in here that you tend to think about the development of hardcore in waves, so yeah that'll confuse you pretty well.

If you shrink the scope of appliance for your statement and you are going to use this parallelism in similarity of vocal performance of hardcore bands as distinguishing characteristic - that's ok. It'll serve you well, I believe.

Looking at hardcore more widely you'll need even more sophisticated formulas to draw the line between real and fake hardcore.

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I do it intentionally, since... well lets be fair - that all is hardcore.

I can remeber you said in here that you tend to think about the development of hardcore in waves, so yeah that'll confuse you pretty well.

If you shrink the scope of appliance for your statement and you are going to use this parallelism in similarity of vocal performance of hardcore bands as distinguishing characteristic - that's ok. It'll serve you well, I believe.

Looking at hardcore more widely you'll need even more sophisticated formulas to draw the line between real and fake hardcore.

it all is hardcore, but it's not comprable. look at jazz in the 40s and jazz in the 60s, sure it's jazz, but it's not the same.

Why would I need a more sophisticated formula when what I've stated works?

[xCrucialDudex]

Would you be so kind and do us a favor. Take each wave of the development of the hardcore and list on the right real hardocre bands and on the left fake hardcore bands, if any were present in history.

Make it a sticky thread, we'll discuss it and make corrections if needed. Afterwards, you could lock it down and refer new people to this hands on reference list.

After all, it'll be much better choice to make any use of what we ramble on in here.

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Would you be so kind and do us a favor. Take each wave of the development of the hardcore and list on the right real hardocre bands and on the left fake hardcore bands, if any were present in history.

Make it a sticky thread, we'll discuss it and make corrections if needed. Afterwards, you could lock it down and refer new people to this hands on reference list.

After all, it'll be much better choice to make any use of what we ramble on in here.

why would I take the time to do that? especially when the fake hardcore bands have only been in the last few years and those examples have already been listed?

[xCrucialDudex]

why would I take the time to do that?

This could help educate people. To give them fundamental understanding of the "real" hardcore music. In its turn, this might help hardcore scene in general to form a core of educated people to keep "real" hardcore music alive through the upcoming years. Yes, it's not enough to make the list and think that it'll save hardcore music through whatever future brings, but at least we'd do something useful. Not only just talking.

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This could help educate people. To give them fundamental understanding of the "real" hardcore music. In its turn, this might help hardcore scene in general to form a core of educated people to keep "real" hardcore music alive through the upcoming years. Yes, it's not enough to make the list and think that it'll save hardcore music through whatever future brings, but at least we'd do something useful. Not only just talking.

yeah, but all of that was addressed by the second part of the post. the fake marketed hardcore is a new thing so why would I go and give full lists of bands for the last 26 when it's only been a problem the last 6?