oral sex?

[peckerXedge]

simple question...is oral sex against straight edge? or are there some certain cuircumstances where its okay and its not?

[SgtD]

simple question...is oral sex against straight edge? or are there some certain cuircumstances where its okay and its not?
no it's not. straight edge has no regulations on sex. read the questions section. it's pretty useful.

[xsecx]

simple question...is oral sex against straight edge? or are there some certain cuircumstances where its okay and its not?

this is a main reason why the whole sex thing doesn't make sense within edge. with drugs and alcohol it's pretty easy to define and understand. but the whole sex thing, what's ok and what isn't? The whole idea is wack.

[XBILLYX]

if your just getting it from anyone its out of the qustion its causal sex. anything like that if it just whoever whenever its causal and its a no.

[SgtD]

if your just getting it from anyone its out of the qustion its causal sex. anything like that if it just whoever whenever its causal and its a no.
say what?

please tell me you're just a troll.

[xdontbeavictimx]

its not ok. if its casual its not sxe. seriously, its still a form of sex.... so its not right, and have some self respect and morals for your body than to just throw it out there for anyone to play with....

[xsecx]

its not ok. if its casual its not sxe. seriously, its still a form of sex.... so its not right, and have some self respect and morals for your body than to just throw it out there for anyone to play with....

most people here don't think sex have anything to do with straight edge though. given your line of thinking a lot of things wouldn't be edge. tattoo's. skating. piercings. That's not to say that oral sex or sex in general with random people is a good idea, just that it's seperate from what straight edge is about.

[XBILLYX]

its not ok. if its casual its not sxe. seriously, its still a form of sex.... so its not right, and have some self respect and morals for your body than to just throw it out there for anyone to play with....
no i said wat this guy said just differnt.


most people here don't think sex have anything to do with straight edge though. given your line of thinking a lot of things wouldn't be edge. tattoo's. skating. piercings. That's not to say that oral sex or sex in general with random people is a good idea, just that it's seperate from what straight edge is about.

now there use to be a thread on here just about sex and ou were right in there saying causal sex was against edge dusty but now your saying it has nothing to do with edge do you just decide whats edge and whats not to fit your mood?

[xvunderx]

no i said wat this guy said just differnt.



now there use to be a thread on here just about sex and ou were right in there saying causal sex was against edge dusty but now your saying it has nothing to do with edge do you just decide whats edge and whats not to fit your mood?

I can't wait for you to try find a post where Dusty said casual sex was against sxe!

[xsecx]

now there use to be a thread on here just about sex and ou were right in there saying causal sex was against edge dusty but now your saying it has nothing to do with edge do you just decide whats edge and whats not to fit your mood?

where did I say ever that casual sex was against edge?

[XBILLYX]

awhile ago when i first started talking on here you had. it was in some tread that was started way before i had joined but now is gone.

[xsecx]

awhile ago when i first started talking on here you had. it was in some tread that was started way before i had joined but now is gone.

sure thing dude, except I've never said that and never would say it.

[straightXed]

awhile ago when i first started talking on here you had. it was in some tread that was started way before i had joined but now is gone.

I've known dusty for quite a long time now, longer than this board has been around and in all that time he's never put an opinion forward that claims he thinks casual sex is against edge. I think you are mistaken on this one.

[XBILLYX]

I've known dusty for quite a long time now, longer than this board has been around and in all that time he's never put an opinion forward that claims he thinks casual sex is against edge. I think you are mistaken on this one.
fint maybe so. its a waste of energy arguing with you guys anyway.

[xsecx]

fint maybe so. its a waste of energy arguing with you guys anyway.

it's a waste of energy to make false statements.

[XBILLYX]

it's a waste of energy to make false statements.
it wasnt in my mind. i know what i saw

[xsecx]

it wasnt in my mind. i know what i saw

It was in your mind. I've never said that and I never would. The only posts that get deleted are in general, the rest are still all here and I haven't pruned post since before you joined, so I'm sure it's still here, so go nuts.

[XBILLYX]

It was in your mind. I've never said that and I never would. The only posts that get deleted are in general, the rest are still all here and I haven't pruned post since before you joined, so I'm sure it's still here, so go nuts.
the whole fucking thread is gone so why look. iam sorry ok i fucked up you dindt say it ok.

[xsecx]

the whole fucking thread is gone so why look. iam sorry ok i fucked up you dindt say it ok.

It's not gone, I just told you that. now I know you're not bright, but you know you can set the filter to show all posts from the beginning. Making accusations and not backing them up is bullshit.

[XBILLYX]

It's not gone, I just told you that. now I know you're not bright, but you know you can set the filter to show all posts from the beginning. Making accusations and not backing them up is bullshit.
if you say so.

[xsecx]

if you say so.

come on dude. prove me wrong. go find the post. hell there's even a search function that should make it really easy.

[straightXed]

fint maybe so. its a waste of energy arguing with you guys anyway.

Fint maybe so? I don't know what that means.

And i wasn't arguing i was stating that i've never heard dusty come out with the opinion you are suggesting he did hold.

[XBILLYX]

come on dude. prove me wrong. go find the post. hell there's even a search function that should make it really easy.
bro i told you i fucked up it wasnt you ok. so what do you want me to do?

[xsecx]

bro i told you i fucked up it wasnt you ok. so what do you want me to do?

yeah. you fucked up because you can't find where you think i said it, not that you were making shit up.

[XBILLYX]

yeah. you fucked up because you can't find where you think i said it, not that you were making shit up.
your saying i made it up to stir the pot or something?

[xsecx]

your saying i made it up to stir the pot or something?

you tell me why you'd make believe I said i something I've never said and would never say.

[XBILLYX]

you tell me why you'd make believe I said i something I've never said and would never say.
because i thought it was you. who else to i really talk to on here? no one. i thought it was you iam sorry ok.

[SgtD]

this thread turned out to be hilarious.

[xKennehx]

Straight Edge is different across the world, and it usually differs from person to person. It's not like organized religion where if you do something you're going to hell...if you drink, smoke and do drugs you're not edge, it's that simple. Sex is totally different, it could differ for you depending on your religious point of view or how you were raised. Nobody has the right to accuse somebody of throwing away their edge for something that isn't even clearly defined as being edge at all. Just my 2 cents.

[xsecx]

Straight Edge is different across the world, and it usually differs from person to person. It's not like organized religion where if you do something you're going to hell...if you drink, smoke and do drugs you're not edge, it's that simple. Sex is totally different, it could differ for you depending on your religious point of view or how you were raised. Nobody has the right to accuse somebody of throwing away their edge for something that isn't even clearly defined as being edge at all. Just my 2 cents.

how is straight edge different across the world and how does it differ from person to person?

[xKennehx]

how is straight edge different across the world and how does it differ from person to person?

Because not everybody went to Minor Threat gigs, and not everybody follows Ian MacKaye or anybody else, the principles of Straight Edge are always the same, but not always the practices. I've not been Straight Edge for long at all, and I came here to look for advice and so on, I have some Straight Edge friends, and none of them are vegans for example. They have different views on everything, and I'm sure they're not the same as the views you hold in the States or anywhere else. It's also good to note that some areas are more drugs prominent or so on than others, and some people might be stricter about it, with temptations being more. I'm not saying my area is one of those...

[straightXed]

Because not everybody went to Minor Threat gigs, and not everybody follows Ian MacKaye or anybody else, the principles of Straight Edge are always the same, but not always the practices. I've not been Straight Edge for long at all, and I came here to look for advice and so on, I have some Straight Edge friends, and none of them are vegans for example. They have different views on everything, and I'm sure they're not the same as the views you hold in the States or anywhere else. It's also good to note that some areas are more drugs prominent or so on than others, and some people might be stricter about it, with temptations being more. I'm not saying my area is one of those...

Well veganism, like sex has nothing to do with being straightedge. Straightedge is a stance against drugs made by hardcore kids, thats the same the world over. Whatever else you choose to add isn't a tennent of straightedge but a personal choice you adhere to not defined by the label straightedge.

And i'm not sure how an areas drug influence would change the meaning of straightedge.

[xKennehx]

Well veganism, like sex has nothing to do with being straightedge. Straightedge is a stance against drugs made by hardcore kids, thats the same the world over. Whatever else you choose to add isn't a tennent of straightedge but a personal choice you adhere to not defined by the label straightedge.

And i'm not sure how an areas drug influence would change the meaning of straightedge.

It would change how actively you defy them, and those influenced by them.

I totally agree with your first point, but I think that they would influence your will not to break your Edge, or rather your ease of fitting Straight Edge into your everyday life.

[straightXed]

It would change how actively you defy them, and those influenced by them.

but it has no bearing on what straightedge means at all.


I totally agree with your first point, but I think that they would influence your will not to break your Edge, or rather your ease of fitting Straight Edge into your everyday life.

how does avoiding sex or meat stop you taking drugs, they are unrelated and plenty of vegans drink and do drugs so it doesn't really help.

Your view on drugs and the abstinance of them is all that will relatively have influence on not doing them.

And how exactly does avoiding sex or being vegan make it easier to be straightedge?

[xKennehx]

but it has no bearing on what straightedge means at all.



how does avoiding sex or meat stop you taking drugs, they are unrelated and plenty of vegans drink and do drugs so it doesn't really help.

Your view on drugs and the abstinance of them is all that will relatively have influence on not doing them.

And how exactly does avoiding sex or being vegan make it easier to be straightedge?

It makes it easier because you're used to avoiding things, and avoiding meat has at least helped me to avoid alcohol as well. If you betray even one of your beliefs, what's to say that you really believe that one? or the others? All I'm saying is that I find it helpful.

[xsecx]

Because not everybody went to Minor Threat gigs, and not everybody follows Ian MacKaye or anybody else, the principles of Straight Edge are always the same, but not always the practices. I've not been Straight Edge for long at all, and I came here to look for advice and so on, I have some Straight Edge friends, and none of them are vegans for example. They have different views on everything, and I'm sure they're not the same as the views you hold in the States or anywhere else. It's also good to note that some areas are more drugs prominent or so on than others, and some people might be stricter about it, with temptations being more. I'm not saying my area is one of those...

people have different views on different subjects, but the commonality across everyone who is straight edge isthe same. That's why straight edge actually means something. There are universal truths across everyone who is straight edge. Anything that falls outside of that universal truth isn't straight edge and isn't relevant.

[straightXed]

It makes it easier because you're used to avoiding things, and avoiding meat has at least helped me to avoid alcohol as well.

Not really, i mean the reason you avoid one thing is a completely different reason you avoid others. I mean a lot of people avoid sobriety, that doesn't help them be straightedge at all does it? It comes down to the reason you want to avoid something, if you feel strongly about drug issues that is not going to make you feel stronger about not eating animals.


If you betray even one of your beliefs, what's to say that you really believe that one? or the others? All I'm saying is that I find it helpful.

If you betray one of your beliefs it says you may not of really been thinking straight, it could say perhaps the reasons you held that belief no longer apply or maybe that the reasons never applied and you did it for the wrong reasons. I mean beliefs change through life, and you find what fits you best. You shouldn't apply pressure to yourself to continue believing one thing for the reason if you don't it may nullify other things you believe. That is the wrong reason to continue believing something, if you find you no longer find a certain belief applicable you should not be thinking about the credibility of your other beliefs until they are in question. For example if i am straightedge and vegan and i no longer find veganism applicable my straightedge belief is not in question at all, so i stop being vegan, continue being straightedge and the two are very seperate and have little influence over each other accept for perhaps the beliefs sharing a marginal ammount of exposure in common circles.

[XBILLYX]

It makes it easier because you're used to avoiding things, and avoiding meat has at least helped me to avoid alcohol as well. If you betray even one of your beliefs, what's to say that you really believe that one? or the others? All I'm saying is that I find it helpful.

why would not eating meat help you not drink? i eat meat and i never have the urgh to go drink or light up or anything like that.

[KapitaenMurfetto]

As far as "straightedge" goes in my mind, I think of Ian MacKaye's "don't drink, don't smoke, don't fuck" ideals. Indicating anti-alcohol, anti-drug, and anti-promiscuity (which in my eyes is revolting and labelled animalistic) respectively.

Again, I think xsecx's idea that sXe is only what pertains to sXe is essentially true (meaning I wouldn't pertain to it completely), so in itself sXe is only a small part of my philosophy.

This would probably fit better under the philosophy topic, but I go by a kind of posthuman nihilistic utilitarian hybrid idea set where everything is given value through morality and "self-limitation." Of course there's a lot more, but that's what my book will be for.

[NailedtotheX]

not to argue that it is or isn't edge, because i think it's really all a matter of your views on edge, but i've always come up considering edge to be self respect and a certain degree of purity, and i think casual sex is against both of those.

[straightXed]

not to argue that it is or isn't edge, because i think it's really all a matter of your views on edge, but i've always come up considering edge to be self respect and a certain degree of purity, and i think casual sex is against both of those.

But lots of things like hygeine and good eating even down to the things you watch can negate or promote self respect and purity. Should all these things be encompassed by straight edge?

[NailedtotheX]

But lots of things like hygeine and good eating even down to the things you watch can negate or promote self respect and purity. Should all these things be encompassed by straight edge?


well i do think you should take care of yourself, yes. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't hardcore/sxe start out partly as a stand against all the crust punk kids who would never shower and were usually junkies? as for watching things, i think that's honestly a matter of how you perceive what you're watching. i know that no matter what i watch myself, it's not really gonna change my views on anything. i do have to hand it to you though, the concept of watching something hasn't ever really crossed my mind, and i really think it's as silly an argument as that of whether or not caffeine is ok for edgers.

[xsecx]

well i do think you should take care of yourself, yes. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't hardcore/sxe start out partly as a stand against all the crust punk kids who would never shower and were usually junkies? as for watching things, i think that's honestly a matter of how you perceive what you're watching. i know that no matter what i watch myself, it's not really gonna change my views on anything. i do have to hand it to you though, the concept of watching something hasn't ever really crossed my mind, and i really think it's as silly an argument as that of whether or not caffeine is ok for edgers.

how do uou think people change their minds on things if it isn't in part being influenced by the things they watch and experience?

[NailedtotheX]

how do uou think people change their minds on things if it isn't in part being influenced by the things they watch and experience?


alright, perhaps i should have been a little more careful with my wording. i know i won't watch anything NEGATIVE and have it change my mind. but how much out there can really corrupt you by watching it?

[stepinsideissue]

alright, perhaps i should have been a little more careful with my wording. i know i won't watch anything NEGATIVE and have it change my mind. but how much out there can really corrupt you by watching it?


Then why do we rate movies and vidoe games to certain auidences.

[NailedtotheX]

Then why do we rate movies and vidoe games to certain auidences.


that's a little irrelevant, but that's done because at a YOUNG age a lot of people are easily corrupted by what they watch because they don't understand what's reality and what's just entertainment. i say that's irrelevant because i should hope that in this discussion we're addressing the people who are at least somewhat firm in their beliefs and who are mature enough to not think that watching Friday the 13th means it's cool to hack people up with a machete.

[xsecx]

alright, perhaps i should have been a little more careful with my wording. i know i won't watch anything NEGATIVE and have it change my mind. but how much out there can really corrupt you by watching it?

yeah but this is still implying that people don't change their mind and aren't influenced by media. People change their minds all the time. that's why so few people actually stay edge.

[NailedtotheX]

yeah but this is still implying that people don't change their mind and aren't influenced by media. People change their minds all the time. that's why so few people actually stay edge.


and in that case they were never edge to begin with. my view has always been that once you say you're edge, you're saying that you're taking it to the grave, and if you break that then you really didn't mean it and you weren't ever edge.


ps
slightly off topic, but i just wanted to say i've been on several forums lately and i really appreciate how everyone here seems to have the ability to debate and disagree without turning it into a personal argument.

[xsecx]

and in that case they were never edge to begin with. my view has always been that once you say you're edge, you're saying that you're taking it to the grave, and if you break that then you really didn't mean it and you weren't ever edge.


Then why do you listen to bold? [rimshot]

If that was the case then all those old bands shouldn't be listened to and only a few thousand people are edge. People change, their thoughts and feelings change. They are influenced positively and negatively by life. That doesn't mean they didn't believe what they believed.




ps
slightly off topic, but i just wanted to say i've been on several forums lately and i really appreciate how everyone here seems to have the ability to debate and disagree without turning it into a personal argument.

Yeah, for the most part stuff doesn't turn personal unless it's talking about something that is personal like religion or poliitics and even then it's usually when people start talking from emotion rather than logic.

[straightXed]

well i do think you should take care of yourself, yes. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't hardcore/sxe start out partly as a stand against all the crust punk kids who would never shower and were usually junkies?

So you are saying that hygeine is something that should be a tenent of edge?



as for watching things, i think that's honestly a matter of how you perceive what you're watching. i know that no matter what i watch myself, it's not really gonna change my views on anything.

So whilst nothing you watch has any influence on your views (doubtful to be honest) do you not see self respect as a reason for making a decission on not viewing or listening to cerain media items? The point is self respect can encompass a huge amount of things and exactly what degree of purity are we speaking of? To have such a broad definition would water down what straightedge actually defines. The purity and self respect amounts to abstaining from drinking, smoking and doing drugs to apply it to all forms of self respect isn't definitive of straightedge.



i do have to hand it to you though, the concept of watching something hasn't ever really crossed my mind, and i really think it's as silly an argument as that of whether or not caffeine is ok for edgers.

Whilst it may not of crossed your mind there are plenty of things that can be seen as issues of self respect or purity yet completely irrelevent to straightedge. And i agree the caffeine argument is silly, i mean its clearly a drug thats taken recreationally so for a stance like straightedge to omit that then it would give an easy position to be be slack on its definition. A little caffeine here, perhaps a beer on an occasion, its indeed a silly argument.

[straightXed]

and in that case they were never edge to begin with. my view has always been that once you say you're edge, you're saying that you're taking it to the grave, and if you break that then you really didn't mean it and you weren't ever edge.

Its very much setting yourself on a path though, you are constantly subject to change and to continue representing yourself as something you no longer feel represents you can be really damaging. To expect people to be edge until they die is very optimistic and has a romantic sentiment but is very unlikely for most people. Most people who claim edge end up breaking - not all but definitely most. To say you didn't mean it because you later broke it doesn't equate, i mean they can't make choices for ten years in the future as no one has a clue who they will be or how they will be thinking then but when they became edge they may have meant it with all their heart and done loads for promoting the straightedge scene. You can't really dismiss all of that because they chose a different path that represnted what they feel more truly. Bands and people come and go and it all helps keep the scene around for new people to access, you can contribute without feeling you have to been bound to a code for life, you should be bound to it only as long as it makes sense to you.

[NailedtotheX]

Then why do you listen to bold? [rimshot]

If that was the case then all those old bands shouldn't be listened to and only a few thousand people are edge. People change, their thoughts and feelings change. They are influenced positively and negatively by life. That doesn't mean they didn't believe what they believed.




You do have a point to some extent there. However, say these bands were to come out with an album now, after breaking edge I really wouldn't support it. The old music still fits with my lifestyle, and it's good music so I'm not going to disadvantage myself by not listening to it just because they ended up making what I would consider to be a shitty choice.

[NailedtotheX]

So you are saying that hygeine is something that should be a tenent of edge?




So whilst nothing you watch has any influence on your views (doubtful to be honest) do you not see self respect as a reason for making a decission on not viewing or listening to cerain media items? The point is self respect can encompass a huge amount of things and exactly what degree of purity are we speaking of? To have such a broad definition would water down what straightedge actually defines. The purity and self respect amounts to abstaining from drinking, smoking and doing drugs to apply it to all forms of self respect isn't definitive of straightedge.




Whilst it may not of crossed your mind there are plenty of things that can be seen as issues of self respect or purity yet completely irrelevent to straightedge. And i agree the caffeine argument is silly, i mean its clearly a drug thats taken recreationally so for a stance like straightedge to omit that then it would give an easy position to be be slack on its definition. A little caffeine here, perhaps a beer on an occasion, its indeed a silly argument.


I don't think hygiene should necessarily be a "tenent of straightedge", but i would hope someone who cares enough about themselves to not drink or smoke would at least stay relatively sanitary.


As for the media thing, I really fail to see how what you watch relates in any way to self respect. And like I said, I have never and can garuntee you that I will never be influenced by something negative in the media. Postive influence? To some extent of course. Without some form of media I would've never known about sXe. On the topic of purity, all i mean is keeping your mind and body clean... i suppose that is a bit broad and to be honest with you I'm not going to say that I've completely finalized my own personal views on that yet. My views are a little out there right now because I'm kind of in the middle of trying to decide whether or not to go hardline.

Finally I'm a little confused on your views on caffiene, primarily because of the beer statement. Are you saying you're ok with caffiene and you think you can have the occasional beer and still be edge, or was that sarcasm and are you saying you're against caffiene?

[NailedtotheX]

Its very much setting yourself on a path though, you are constantly subject to change and to continue representing yourself as something you no longer feel represents you can be really damaging. To expect people to be edge until they die is very optimistic and has a romantic sentiment but is very unlikely for most people. Most people who claim edge end up breaking - not all but definitely most. To say you didn't mean it because you later broke it doesn't equate, i mean they can't make choices for ten years in the future as no one has a clue who they will be or how they will be thinking then but when they became edge they may have meant it with all their heart and done loads for promoting the straightedge scene. You can't really dismiss all of that because they chose a different path that represnted what they feel more truly. Bands and people come and go and it all helps keep the scene around for new people to access, you can contribute without feeling you have to been bound to a code for life, you should be bound to it only as long as it makes sense to you.


It is true that people do change. However I can say that I firmly stand behind my ideal that if you're not edge now you never were. At one point in time I did break edge- it's a long story and I was involved with a lot of stupid shit at the time, bad idea really. However I managed to clear my head and decided I'd rather be edge. That happened about 5 months ago now. I broke edge when I was 17. When people ask how long I've been edge, I don't bother to give them that whole explanation, I just say 5 months. I don't feel I was truly edge before because I allowed myself to break it.

[straightXed]

I don't think hygiene should necessarily be a "tenent of straightedge", but i would hope someone who cares enough about themselves to not drink or smoke would at least stay relatively sanitary.

But its self respect and you consider edge to be self respect.



As for the media thing, I really fail to see how what you watch relates in any way to self respect.

Say perhaps watching executions for entertainment.


And like I said, I have never and can garuntee you that I will never be influenced by something negative in the media.Postive influence? To some extent of course.

You can't guaruntee that at all, the main problem being that you may not get a complete picture before arriving at a judgement so whilst you think you are being positive you could be geared toward a less positive notion. Media is a well oiled machine in giving people all they need to make a certain choice and great at leaving out vital information. And i suppose you are not suseptable to any advertising? You are aware of how media works on subconcious levels i suppose, assuming you accept that you are suseptable to that then is that negative or positive influence? Do you ever find yourself buying into something based on the based on the beautiful women suggesting its needed, does it catch you of guard a little, or perhaps craving something new and shiny but ultimately not needed - why? Because you are being bent by the will of advertising and you should say, shit man i don't need that shit, wheres my self respect - they are trying to tell me i'm less of a person if i don't buy their shit. And advertising gets into the good eating i also mentioned, i mean the most crappy food tends to be the most advertised and generally the most consumed. Again is this a negative influence? And what about the media as a whole just being a great distraction from real issues we should be worried about.

Sitting down on a couch, you watch, a fucking slave to a TV show.
You thought before but you sat and dropped What did you learn? You don't even know, now I kid myself but my eyes are glued on this thing.
It steals my time and wastes what I've learned.
I'm holding out for a better deal, for something real.

I mean surely self respect relates to your ability you have power over your own will.



Without some form of media I would've never known about sXe. On the topic of purity, all i mean is keeping your mind and body clean... i suppose that is a bit broad and to be honest with you I'm not going to say that I've completely finalized my own personal views on that yet. My views are a little out there right now because I'm kind of in the middle of trying to decide whether or not to go hardline.

Keeping your mind and body clean can relate heavily to media but the idea that you are considering the notion of hardline is scary. Are you anti abortion and feel abortion is wrong? are you vegan and feel everyone should be? Are you against sex for any other reason than procreation and do you feel that everyone should adhere to that? Do you think dealing out your own justice in the name of hardline is righteous?


Finally I'm a little confused on your views on caffiene, primarily because of the beer statement. Are you saying you're ok with caffiene and you think you can have the occasional beer and still be edge, or was that sarcasm and are you saying you're against caffiene?

I think its very clear that i'm against recreational usage of drugs as part of straightedge. The bit about beer is if you allow caffeine consumption as a part of a straightedge stance that realistically you should allow an odd beer also. But realistically you should also except that its not a drug free stance at all and thus not straightedge. I mean there is no reason to take caffeine as a coke or a coffee and if you are against recreational usage of drugs you have to ask yourself why would you consume caffeine.

[straightXed]

It is true that people do change. However I can say that I firmly stand behind my ideal that if you're not edge now you never were.

Of course you were, thats like saying if you are not a baby now you never were, its ridiculous logic. Are you saying that all the straightedge bands like minor threat, uniform choice, SS decontrol, project X, judge, youth of today, turning point etc. were neber straightedge bands? The logic you hold assumes that tobe straightedge you must be straight edge forever, and whilst the notion is admirable its simply not realistic. It discards all the history of straightedge to say if you aren't now you never were which is very dangerous and weakens the movement if you segregate from all that have come before and given you something to be a part of. Its really ungrateful to show no regard for the blood sweat and tears of past generations have put into this. Sure it sounds great to say but when you think about what you said its really wrong. I did note you refered to it as an ideal but i assume ideally you'd want all these people to still be around in the scene but the thing is it is a young thing and people do grow and different stages of their life require different commitments. I think its great the the scene stays fresh and vital and is accessable because of its cyclic motion in evoloution rather than stagnating. If you aren't edge now then you aren't edge now, it doesn't change what you were yesterday. That is time lived and experienced, its in the bank and can't be taken away. And sure i understand the ideal, we don't like to see people break edge or move on but we shouldn't react by condemning the support and time they have put in.



At one point in time I did break edge- it's a long story and I was involved with a lot of stupid shit at the time, bad idea really. However I managed to clear my head and decided I'd rather be edge. That happened about 5 months ago now. I broke edge when I was 17. When people ask how long I've been edge, I don't bother to give them that whole explanation, I just say 5 months. I don't feel I was truly edge before because I allowed myself to break it.

Ok after only 5 months i can understand why you think what you think, but seriously there are people that have "sold out" that have done more for edge then you ever will. Its hard to just act as if that stuff soesn't matter, its vital for you even being here today and finding straightedge. You were obviously not straightedge at one point and made a change to become so, it was a bit strange at first but now you feel it works for you great. But if 10 years down the line for whatever reason you feel straightedge is really not working for you and making you misserable what are you going to do? If you break does the 10 years mean nothing? If you don't what does it mean to be edge when you really don't want to be?

[NailedtotheX]

But its self respect and you consider edge to be self respect.




Say perhaps watching executions for entertainment.


well that, i would have to say is just kind of fucked


You can't guaruntee that at all, the main problem being that you may not get a complete picture before arriving at a judgement so whilst you think you are being positive you could be geared toward a less positive notion. Media is a well oiled machine in giving people all they need to make a certain choice and great at leaving out vital information. And i suppose you are not suseptable to any advertising? You are aware of how media works on subconcious levels i suppose, assuming you accept that you are suseptable to that then is that negative or positive influence? Do you ever find yourself buying into something based on the based on the beautiful women suggesting its needed, does it catch you of guard a little, or perhaps craving something new and shiny but ultimately not needed - why? Because you are being bent by the will of advertising and you should say, shit man i don't need that shit, wheres my self respect - they are trying to tell me i'm less of a person if i don't buy their shit. And advertising gets into the good eating i also mentioned, i mean the most crappy food tends to be the most advertised and generally the most consumed. Again is this a negative influence? And what about the media as a whole just being a great distraction from real issues we should be worried about.

Sitting down on a couch, you watch, a fucking slave to a TV show.
You thought before but you sat and dropped What did you learn? You don't even know, now I kid myself but my eyes are glued on this thing.
It steals my time and wastes what I've learned.
I'm holding out for a better deal, for something real.

I mean surely self respect relates to your ability you have power over your own will.

Well, for one thing I don't watch tv to be completely honest with you. I'm well aware of propaghanda techniques. I don't buy into shit being sold by "beautiful women". I never make decisions/judgements based on information from media, especially mainstream media INCLUDING news programs/papers. That's why when people ask me about political views I'll tell them my views are extremely restricted to what I think is right, and not based off of most current events because most of the time we don't knwo the story behind the entire current event.

The Gorilla Biscuits reference was great and yes, I suppose self respect does relate to the ability to have power over your own will, which I do. I have to say though, the relation isn't something I've ever considered before so I really appreciate that concept.





Keeping your mind and body clean can relate heavily to media but the idea that you are considering the notion of hardline is scary. Are you anti abortion and feel abortion is wrong? are you vegan and feel everyone should be? Are you against sex for any other reason than procreation and do you feel that everyone should adhere to that? Do you think dealing out your own justice in the name of hardline is righteous?

Well like I said, I'm VERY back and forth on it right now, especially because I haven't reached my goal of veganism yet, and my views aren't settled on abortion. It's something that I'd like to reach because I think it's extremely admirable, but I honestly don't know that I'll ever be strong-willed enough to reach that point, especially coming from the lifestyle I used to live. And I think the extremist view you put on hardline is ironic, especially being sXe. I've known several hardliners who don't force their views. It's just like sXe and the judgements I've dealt with(and i'm sure you probably have at some point too). Whenever I mention I'm edge, I'm automatically assumed to be a self righteous asshole who thinks he's better than everyone. If I were to ever go hardline it would be for my own choice of my own lifestyle, and while I would promote it to at least inform other people, I'd never force my views and hate everyone who didn't live by them.




I think its very clear that i'm against recreational usage of drugs as part of straightedge. The bit about beer is if you allow caffeine consumption as a part of a straightedge stance that realistically you should allow an odd beer also. But realistically you should also except that its not a drug free stance at all and thus not straightedge. I mean there is no reason to take caffeine as a coke or a coffee and if you are against recreational usage of drugs you have to ask yourself why would you consume caffeine.


that's what I thought but I wasn't positive, just wanted to clear it up.

[xsecx]

You do have a point to some extent there. However, say these bands were to come out with an album now, after breaking edge I really wouldn't support it. The old music still fits with my lifestyle, and it's good music so I'm not going to disadvantage myself by not listening to it just because they ended up making what I would consider to be a shitty choice.

so you'll listen to old bands but you'll look down at the people in them? How does that make sense? This is where the logic of if you're not now you never were breaks down. There's just no way to not be a hypocrite with this mindset. You went and saw bold, so you supported them.

[NailedtotheX]

Of course you were, thats like saying if you are not a baby now you never were, its ridiculous logic.

But you didn't make a personal choice to be a baby, that just happened naturally.


Are you saying that all the straightedge bands like minor threat, uniform choice, SS decontrol, project X, judge, youth of today, turning point etc. were neber straightedge bands?


that is a great point and i'll admit i haven't truly thought about that. they made a great contribution and are part of the reason that i have the term straightedge to apply to my own life. that's a flaw in my view and i thank you for pointing that out. i honestly can't say that i'm sure how i feel about that completley right now, and when i have time to thoroughly think that through i'll give you a solid answer.






Ok after only 5 months i can understand why you think what you think, but seriously there are people that have "sold out" that have done more for edge then you ever will. Its hard to just act as if that stuff soesn't matter, its vital for you even being here today and finding straightedge. You were obviously not straightedge at one point and made a change to become so, it was a bit strange at first but now you feel it works for you great. But if 10 years down the line for whatever reason you feel straightedge is really not working for you and making you misserable what are you going to do? If you break does the 10 years mean nothing? If you don't what does it mean to be edge when you really don't want to be?

I appreciate what they gave to the scene, but I don't appreciate their decisions to break edge. I'm not trying to discredit everything ever done by anyone who's ended up breaking edge, but I do lose a LOT of respect for them. I mean, when a band ilke Gorilla Biscuits writes a song like New Direcion, and then everyone breaks edge and really kind of stops caring about the scene, wouldn't you agree that the hypocrisy is a bit distasteful?

and if 10 years down the line i should decide against being edge (which i can firmly say won't happen because i've been there, done that, hated every second) then I can promise you I won't say I was edge.

[NailedtotheX]

so you'll listen to old bands but you'll look down at the people in them? How does that make sense? This is where the logic of if you're not now you never were breaks down. There's just no way to not be a hypocrite with this mindset. You went and saw bold, so you supported them.


actually I went to see Triple Threat and Ambitions, I stayed to watch Bold not to support them but because as much as I don't agree with them now, there's nothign quite like hearing those songs live. and as I said, you guys have made some great points and I will be reconsidering my views to some extent.

[straightXed]

well that, i would have to say is just kind of fucked

Which, the idea that self respect means straight or that people derive entertainment at others expense?




Well, for one thing I don't watch tv to be completely honest with you. I'm well aware of propaghanda techniques. I don't buy into shit being sold by "beautiful women". I never make decisions/judgements based on information from media, especially mainstream media INCLUDING news programs/papers. That's why when people ask me about political views I'll tell them my views are extremely restricted to what I think is right, and not based off of most current events because most of the time we don't knwo the story behind the entire current event.

The internet is media! But anyway, so you don't watch TV so its not an issue but i quite like TV and i, as a consumer, have bought things based on influence. Certain things are marketed well towards me to make me want to buy them. Basically media can influence you, the straightedge hardcore scene can influence you and regardless of any source of influence being about self respect or not i thinks its very hard to guaruntee that you won't be influenced. Negatively or positively, its like your idea of hardline, somethings are influencing you to go that way and others are stacked against it but to a vast amount of people hardline means negative.


The Gorilla Biscuits reference was great and yes, I suppose self respect does relate to the ability to have power over your own will, which I do. I have to say though, the relation isn't something I've ever considered before so I really appreciate that concept.

Glad you appreciated it.







Well like I said, I'm VERY back and forth on it right now, especially because I haven't reached my goal of veganism yet, and my views aren't settled on abortion. It's something that I'd like to reach because I think it's extremely admirable, but I honestly don't know that I'll ever be strong-willed enough to reach that point, especially coming from the lifestyle I used to live. And I think the extremist view you put on hardline is ironic, especially being sXe. I've known several hardliners who don't force their views. It's just like sXe and the judgements I've dealt with(and i'm sure you probably have at some point too). Whenever I mention I'm edge, I'm automatically assumed to be a self righteous asshole who thinks he's better than everyone. If I were to ever go hardline it would be for my own choice of my own lifestyle, and while I would promote it to at least inform other people, I'd never force my views and hate everyone who didn't live by them.

But being hardline means to liberate others and deal out justice to those who don't live in accordance to the hardline manifesto. Basically it says if you don't live caring for all life and in now way endangering or harming life then you have no rights. That is what you align yourself with when you become hardline. Its not ironic, straightedge and hardline are very different movements.

[straightXed]

But you didn't make a personal choice to be a baby, that just happened naturally.

Ok say you used to play the guitar, or skateboard, or deep sea dive but ceased to. It doesn't mean you were never a gutarist or a skateboarder or a deep sea diver.





that is a great point and i'll admit i haven't truly thought about that. they made a great contribution and are part of the reason that i have the term straightedge to apply to my own life. that's a flaw in my view and i thank you for pointing that out. i honestly can't say that i'm sure how i feel about that completley right now, and when i have time to thoroughly think that through i'll give you a solid answer.

The answer is saying "if you are not straightedge now you never were" is wrong, theres not much more to it.








I appreciate what they gave to the scene, but I don't appreciate their decisions to break edge.

You don't even know those people, the reasons they broke edge and if you did know them and they were completely miserable being edge what would you say to them? Seriously, "you don't appreciate their choices in life", can you see how you are comming off with that comment? Now longevity isn't everything but after 5 months thats a really questionable stance to have, some people won't even take you seriously until youve been edge a year or two and with good reason, people sell out a lot and usually its people who are very vocal about never breaking and how they don't appreciate others who have. If its a personal choice to become edge then its a personal choice to stop being edge. You should appreciate their choices in life, if you know the people and think they are making a misteak you can talk to them but we are mainly talking about people you don't even know so what can you do but let them make their own choices.


I'm not trying to discredit everything ever done by anyone who's ended up breaking edge, but I do lose a LOT of respect for them.

Except you are discrediting them, you are dicrediting them ever being edge at all.


I mean, when a band ilke Gorilla Biscuits writes a song like New Direcion, and then everyone breaks edge and really kind of stops caring about the scene, wouldn't you agree that the hypocrisy is a bit distasteful?

Explain how?


and if 10 years down the line i should decide against being edge (which i can firmly say won't happen because i've been there, done that, hated every second) then I can promise you I won't say I was edge.

You can't firmly say it unless you have jumped into a time machine and lived in the mindset you will have in 10 years time, you are young and are going to completely transform into a different person over ten years. What you do and say know is valid now but you can't have any certainty for ten years time, which is the same with all the people that have broken edge after singing their hearts out about it. And again you can't promise me that either because already you have conceded that there are huge flaws in the statement "if you are not now you never were" and thats after a few minutes posting, how can you be sure how you will feel about things in ten years. Again you are setting yourself on a path and its really dangerous and restrictive to the growth of you as a person. First thing you should accept is that you are not standing still for the next ten years and you should be really open in letting your ideals and beliefs grow with you rather than strigently adhering to the things you think now. I hope you are still sraightedge in ten years but if you aren't we both know you were.

[NailedtotheX]

You can't firmly say it unless you have jumped into a time machine and lived in the mindset you will have in 10 years time, you are young and are going to completely transform into a different person over ten years. What you do and say know is valid now but you can't have any certainty for ten years time, which is the same with all the people that have broken edge after singing their hearts out about it. And again you can't promise me that either because already you have conceded that there are huge flaws in the statement "if you are not now you never were" and thats after a few minutes posting, how can you be sure how you will feel about things in ten years. Again you are setting yourself on a path and its really dangerous and restrictive to the growth of you as a person. First thing you should accept is that you are not standing still for the next ten years and you should be really open in letting your ideals and beliefs grow with you rather than strigently adhering to the things you think now. I hope you are still sraightedge in ten years but if you aren't we both know you were.


I can tell you now having been around what I have, and having done what I've done, that I will not EVER touch another mind altering substance again. I spent basically a year of my life hanging around junkies and d-beat kids, and when you see what kind of shit happens to those kids it's VERY easy to know what you're not going to do. I made a promise to myself based on what i've seen and what i've experienced. I know how I handle alcohol, I know how I react to several illegal substances and I refuse to fall into that trap again.

[straightXed]

I can tell you now having been around what I have, and having done what I've done, that I will not EVER touch another mind altering substance again. I spent basically a year of my life hanging around junkies and d-beat kids, and when you see what kind of shit happens to those kids it's VERY easy to know what you're not going to do. I made a promise to myself based on what i've seen and what i've experienced. I know how I handle alcohol, I know how I react to several illegal substances and I refuse to fall into that trap again.

no you can't say you will never do that, you have no idea how you will turn out. People grow up saying they will never smopke, drink or do drugs but end up doing it. You are kidding yourself if you think there is any certainty in your future actions that you can foretell right now. Promises to yourself can be broken, situations can see things in a completely different light and dude you aren't even old enough to drink so take a step back and don't think that just because you don't know how you or your future will turn out it will bad. Just accept that you cannot be sure of your future actions as much as you want them to reflect your desire right now.

[XCharlotteX]

i thought it was marriage and then sex....


atleast that's what a friend told me

[straightXed]

i thought it was marriage and then sex....


atleast that's what a friend told me


Nah, thats christianity i think.

[NailedtotheX]

no you can't say you will never do that, you have no idea how you will turn out. People grow up saying they will never smopke, drink or do drugs but end up doing it. You are kidding yourself if you think there is any certainty in your future actions that you can foretell right now. Promises to yourself can be broken, situations can see things in a completely different light and dude you aren't even old enough to drink so take a step back and don't think that just because you don't know how you or your future will turn out it will bad. Just accept that you cannot be sure of your future actions as much as you want them to reflect your desire right now.


well i suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree until i prove you wrong 10 years from now.

[xsecx]

well i suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree until i prove you wrong 10 years from now.

I think he wants you to prove him wrong, but he does bring a really good point. Look at the failure rate of marriage. No sane person goes into marriage thinking it will fail or even could fail, but there's still a 50% divorce rate. No one knows what kind of person they will, they only know what kind of person they hope they'll be.

[straightXed]

well i suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree until i prove you wrong 10 years from now.

Even if in ten years you still haven't touched any drink or drugs it won't prove me wrong. Because i'm not saying you will touch drugs or drink just that you can't be completely sure you won't no matter how you feel about it right now.

[kelly]

I think he wants you to prove him wrong, but he does bring a really good point. Look at the failure rate of marriage. No sane person goes into marriage thinking it will fail or even could fail, but there's still a 50% divorce rate. No one knows what kind of person they will, they only know what kind of person they hope they'll be.
... and the droupout rate of straightedge is way higher than 50%....

[NailedtotheX]

Even if in ten years you still haven't touched any drink or drugs it won't prove me wrong. Because i'm not saying you will touch drugs or drink just that you can't be completely sure you won't no matter how you feel about it right now.


Like I said, I've seen more than I'd ever like to see and while I can't tell exactly who I'll be, I can 100% garuntee you that i won't be touching anything, and you can mark my word on it.

[straightXed]

Like I said, I've seen more than I'd ever like to see and while I can't tell exactly who I'll be, I can 100% garuntee you that i won't be touching anything, and you can mark my word on it.

No you can't guaruntee it, you can say you really hope that you don't but thats you right now saying that, not you in ten years time. You've been edge for 5 months who knows how you will feel about it in 5 or 10 years? if you don't know who you will be how can you say what choices you will make or what situations will arrise. Who knows what your thoughts on drinking or drugs will be in 10 years. You aren't there so you don't know and cannot guaruntee a thing no matter how adamant you are about that right now. You know i've seen some really crazy fucked up shit involving drinking and drugs, i've lost friends and seen family members really fuck things up but no matter how much i have seen i can never say for sure what my future stance will be, i've been straight edge for a fair period of time now but i can't say i'll still be edge at 50. I mean looking back over the past 6 or 7 years there doesn't seem to be any indication of me drinking or doing drugs but i have most certainly changed the way i think about so much, 10 years ago i could never have been sure about the things i am thinking and doing now. You've already demonstrated by becoming edge how your mindset has changed in just a years or so and it is liable to do a shit load of changing particularly over the next 10 years in this period of your life. Surely you are aware of how different people 10 years older than you think, your reasons right now may not even be applicable in the future. I believe that right now you are 100% in thinking that you will never touch drink or drugs again and it seems so certain but until you have lived the next 10 years there is no certainty that you will still think that. You just have no idea what sort of thoughts you will develop over the next 10 years and unless you plan on standing still for 10 years in some kind of cryogenic stasis feild you are going to be different, it doesn't mean you will drink or do drugs just that there is no 100% guaruntee, it could be that your reasons for being straightedge change a lot but you remain sober, you could possibly still feel the exact same way but no guaruntee on any of it. I just hope you realise what you are saying is stuff you mean now not stuff you will necessarily mean in 10 years time.

[kelly]

I have to agree with ed... I became edge at about the same age as you, and I'm 28 now and have managed to stick with it... and I think you need to rethink this 100% guarantee thing, because it leaves little room for change or adaptation to future circumstances. You will be influenced by people around you and things that happen to you, and your beliefs WILL change. Whether or not this will allow you to stay edge will be up to you, and taking too strict of a stance on things leaves little room for you to weather changes in your lifestyle while sticking to your beliefs.

All but one of my friends who were edge when I was 19 aren't any longer - because of a lot of different circumstances that they couldn't possibly forsee. In my case, I had a lot of trouble a few years ago when I was living as a snowboard bum, in a town, where everyone drinks, and most likely smokes weed as well. But, I love to snowboard, so I'm not really going to set myself apart from all of these people and ride alone all of the time... It took a lot of adjustment for me to get used to hanging out with people who drink socially, but now I'm ok with it. Now I'm in Denver at grad school, and pretty much all of my friends drink, and even those who don't drink hang out in bars (where you can go to shows without dealing with the annoying 15 year old kid crowd). It would be bad for my career and emotional state to not socialize with all of these people. Through being friends with a lot of people who do drink, my attitude towards drinking has evolved... I'm no longer as strict in my thinking as I was when I was 19.

That being said, it would be great if you really can stay true to edge... so I wish you luck.

[NailedtotheX]

No you can't guaruntee it, you can say you really hope that you don't but thats you right now saying that, not you in ten years time. You've been edge for 5 months who knows how you will feel about it in 5 or 10 years? if you don't know who you will be how can you say what choices you will make or what situations will arrise. Who knows what your thoughts on drinking or drugs will be in 10 years. You aren't there so you don't know and cannot guaruntee a thing no matter how adamant you are about that right now. You know i've seen some really crazy fucked up shit involving drinking and drugs, i've lost friends and seen family members really fuck things up but no matter how much i have seen i can never say for sure what my future stance will be, i've been straight edge for a fair period of time now but i can't say i'll still be edge at 50. I mean looking back over the past 6 or 7 years there doesn't seem to be any indication of me drinking or doing drugs but i have most certainly changed the way i think about so much, 10 years ago i could never have been sure about the things i am thinking and doing now. You've already demonstrated by becoming edge how your mindset has changed in just a years or so and it is liable to do a shit load of changing particularly over the next 10 years in this period of your life. Surely you are aware of how different people 10 years older than you think, your reasons right now may not even be applicable in the future. I believe that right now you are 100% in thinking that you will never touch drink or drugs again and it seems so certain but until you have lived the next 10 years there is no certainty that you will still think that. You just have no idea what sort of thoughts you will develop over the next 10 years and unless you plan on standing still for 10 years in some kind of cryogenic stasis feild you are going to be different, it doesn't mean you will drink or do drugs just that there is no 100% guaruntee, it could be that your reasons for being straightedge change a lot but you remain sober, you could possibly still feel the exact same way but no guaruntee on any of it. I just hope you realise what you are saying is stuff you mean now not stuff you will necessarily mean in 10 years time.

You really don't know me at all yet and you can talk to me about this when you see the shit i've seen. i understand where you're coming from, but when you watch people die it makes great exceptions to how your life will change. argue it all you want but as i said, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, and until the day i die i WILL NOT have touched a single fucking thing.

[xsecx]

You really don't know me at all yet and you can talk to me about this when you see the shit i've seen. i understand where you're coming from, but when you watch people die it makes great exceptions to how your life will change. argue it all you want but as i said, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, and until the day i die i WILL NOT have touched a single fucking thing.

the point is that there isn't a person alive who can state how they WILL be, just how they want/hope they'll be. To bring it back to the original discussion, do you think all those kids who wrote all those songs thought they wouldn't be edge at one point? No one knows what the future is going to bring. I've seen some fucked up shit in my life. I've lost people to drugs and alcohol. I've been edge for over 15 years now. I hate drugs and alcohol. And even after saying all that I can't say that I will be edge til death. I can say that I hope I will be and that I don't see any reason why I'd change, but I still have to recognize the possibility of change. Anyone that's alive today can change tomorrow.

[straightXed]

You really don't know me at all yet and you can talk to me about this when you see the shit i've seen. i understand where you're coming from, but when you watch people die it makes great exceptions to how your life will change. argue it all you want but as i said, 10 years from now, 20 years from now, and until the day i die i WILL NOT have touched a single fucking thing.

I don't need to know you and you clearly don't understand where i am coming from. I've seen people die and do not dispute the effect it has but it doesn't give you a clear set pre defined path of exactly how you will behave 10 years from now.

You can continue to say you will never touch anything but there is no logic in saying thats certain because you, like everyone else, is constantly changing. And That takes away any certainty, theres always a chance that you might decide to have a glass of wine one day, theres always the chance that straightedge stops making sense and you find you have grown enough to perhaps enjoy the occasional beer without worry, theres always a chance *submit any number of possible scenarios here*.

You just cannot say what you will or will not have done in 10 years with 100% certainty, its just common sense.

[hxcsxe]

this is a main reason why the whole sex thing doesn't make sense within edge. with drugs and alcohol it's pretty easy to define and understand. but the whole sex thing, what's ok and what isn't? The whole idea is wack.

aint it just sleeping with random ppl thats against edge iv never had one night stand only done shit with long term gf

[xsecx]

aint it just sleeping with random ppl thats against edge iv never had one night stand only done shit with long term gf

why would it be against edge though? and what would be ok? that's the point. the sex thing is totally different to drugs and alcohol.

[hxcsxe]

why would it be against edge though? and what would be ok? that's the point. the sex thing is totally different to drugs and alcohol.
i dont believe in one night stands thats not coz i heard it on a sxe website thats just my choice i think ppl just make it harder 4 sxe to be 100%

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

say what?

please tell me you're just a troll.

No. I agree STRONGLY with that guy.

[xJONNYSCREAMx]

you tell me why you'd make believe I said i something I've never said and would never say.

CAN I JUST SUGGEST SOMETHING!!!! This often happens with Dusty and I. I'll misread his posts and completely goof on his opinions. That's pry what happened here.

[Boothanew]

most people here don't think sex have anything to do with straight edge though. given your line of thinking a lot of things wouldn't be edge. tattoo's. skating. piercings. That's not to say that oral sex or sex in general with random people is a good idea, just that it's seperate from what straight edge is about.

I don't think sex has anything to do with sXe..
if so ..then i'm not straight edge.
haha.