Criticism, Please give feedback

[SteelKain]

Please give me your full criticism of this song. I understand if I'm banned for this, but please be civil.
Here is a song I wrote about my fear of a fascist rich white straight-edge movement.
Please just don't say "hey fuck you" point out where you disagree.
Intro:
Heres a song about SXE dummies. If you're straight edge don't get defensive, here are just some thoughts I had about the "movement". I know there are lots of cool edgers. But conversely, lots of you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is partly for everyone who thinks violence is the way to get their goals accomplished. I'm not entirely for peace, but the streets don't need more self-righteous creeps feel me?

Verse 1:
If you don't know what a straight edger is
or where they live what they do and been through
I'll tell you the label is a bit ambiguous
but most'll still tell you how to live or what you should do
When they can't even figure out who's down with their own crew
or if you should screw or what clothes to wear or bands to listen to

I agree whole-heartedly: There are huge drug-problems and everybody's got 'em
We all run the black market. Try coming up from the bottom
of the well called society.
If drugs and guns what I see crazy violence is what I might be
You think I'm afraid of a guitar player sniping me?
its probably boredom and the lack of education and fair laws
that pack a stack of blacks into the ghetto to feed the jail jaws
or it might be a primordial urge to alter consciousness
Drugs have been used for 30 000 years what you thinking you'll stop, bitch?

lets look at things we have in common not draw lines in the dirt
you want to prevent drug's damage but you aren't concerned
about the people you claim to wanna hurt?
We're all special and have inalienable rights
Vigilante moods don’t mean you can take a persons life

Bridge:
belligerent and aloof without proofs
can often describe your personality
not to stereotype in finality
too much speaking in generalities is insanity

I was told I was stupid and wrong if I disagree with
the ideals no ten edgers agree on so I spit this song
I may be wrong but y'all definitely are that’s why this is long

Hook:
Mighty worse guys deserving of your curse and rabid despise
than a high person at night eating three deserts then some pies
Not saying your assholes tight but buttsex would treat you right

You got an edge of life I know your feelings ain’t hurt
don't go all berzerk, I know you got some black shirts from the mall
behind your closet door I'm all
dancefloors not tantrum throwers having a ball in a Veteran’s hall



Verse 2:
For my friends for myself for my family
I thought you cared about your whole community
No unity? Just you and me?
Justice for your clique and fuck those who oppose you?
Just Us and them? Fuss and phlegm? I don't understand these men am I supposed to?

Are you gonna burn down the only bar in a village
and if nobody gets hurt you don't consider yourself a villain
but Bob Marley was an idiot and Edgar Allen Poe deserved some slugs
cause they made the choice to take chemicals excessively to buzz

You fellas aren't bloods, crips, or the Mexican Mafia
that much is obvious Most people are onto ya and not fond of ya
You fellas might be bloodthirsty vicious bitches
but you don't have enough balls in your britches
to throw dead ballas into ditches.
It's tight to want stitches for what's right kid
But refusing to fight along your brothers is short-sighted

At least you're better than scientologists....
Ian MacKaye was cooler than L Ron Hubbard cause he didn't make a monument
But Hubbard endorsed his religion
and made a bunch of cheese off manipulated opinions
MacKaye just sold records wasn't a t-shirt seller doesn't identify as one of you fellers
He wants you to get your own opinion and not need a labeled scene
don't need drugs to be grinnin' but don't hate a teen who smokes green

bridge:
Wanted to rush this one out to stun
SXE spoiling your fun? says he wants to rush you with a gun?
argument is won but he remains dumb?
Just hope he won't jump you with his friends for entertainment
They'll say it was for truth really you threatened their basis
of irrelevancy, vacant moral presidency and layman's rare cases
Oral power the cult of personality fury faces converse shoelaces
and an aversion to black faces and unfamiliarity with stats and dates shit
that was kinda mean but to SXE I'm a fiend already
I don't wanna start a fight but I'm ready

Hook:
Mighty worse guys deserving of your curse and rabid despise
than a high person at night eating three deserts then some pies
Not saying your assholes tight but buttsex would treat you right

You got an edge of life I know your feelings ain’t hurt
don't go all berzerk, I know you got some black shirts from the mall
behind your closet door I'm all
dancefloors not tantrum throwers having a ball in a Veteran’s hall




Verse 3:
I notice no Hispanics Gays or Blacks Did you plan that?
straight edge anthems blasted
but you aren't looking for a real gang clash
or an honest brain change just wanna bash
Perhaps you thought too fast
about those you call degenerate trash

Rich White kids getting off on the convictions that make them convicts
like any racist unable to look at facttables that contradict their bullshit fables
Need to read more, not start a war look farther think before you act shady
dogs get mad, people get angry, gangbangers got fangs but still are hot 'n crazy

you wanna mosh pit? watch it, what does it accomplish?
Flail your arms like that and I'll kick you in your face or armpit
Call it harmless? Bystanders are always hit by you lizardleeches
Join a dance studio that teaches ballet nothing wrong with being gay
you limber bimbo listening to hardcore screeches would like some yay
I'm serious I'm hearing you don't fear this warning I'm delerious
I get upset I wanna watch a band
Spazz and slap me in the face bite off your hand

Kill Your Local Drug Dealer and thuglife feeler?
Pills don't make loco brains heal up? It's wrong to re-up
a prescription of prozac I need not to tear up?
zyprexa I need not to tear you up for saying that stuff?
Where're your rough spuds? I think you might've had enough

Outro:
know what i'm saying? Chill the fuck out! ha. I'm one to talk. Alright. deep breaths.
Lots of people are pissed at the state of the world today - I am! who wouldn't be
We're all in the same boat though, don't judge people to harshly
I know edge peeps that have always been good to me, they just think this shits funny
so laugh, all you mean mugging like I should be afraid of you clowns
Wait till part two baby what's in store...
Hard not to stay and say more
Steven Bawtinhamster
The fuckin' Hungerpuppy
Real life napster got your shit in a mental hamper
MC Non Player Character beware won't fight or bite you
But you need my advice to suffice to grow in this game

[xvunderx]

Looks like your hung up on sXe being violet, sure there are a few people who use sXe as an excuse for violence, but they are in the very vast minority.

I have to admit, the song made my laugh (honest a smirk and chuckle)

[xvunderx]

Please give me your full criticism of this song. I understand if I'm banned for this, but please be civil.
Here is a song I wrote about my fear of a fascist rich white straight-edge movement.
Please just don't say "hey fuck you" point out where you disagree.

Ok as per your request I will...



Intro:
Heres a song about SXE dummies. If you're straight edge don't get defensive, here are just some thoughts I had about the "movement". I know there are lots of cool edgers. But conversely, lots of you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. This is partly for everyone who thinks violence is the way to get their goals accomplished. I'm not entirely for peace, but the streets don't need more self-righteous creeps feel me?

I feel you! So do most edgers. Most edgers are non violent, as I said before, you are talking here about a very vast minority of the scene, and I would also say that if edge didn't exist, most of not all of these individuals be be beating people up for some other reason. I suggest watching the film ID to get an idea what I'm talking about.



Verse 1:
If you don't know what a straight edger is
or where they live what they do and been through
I'll tell you the label is a bit ambiguous

Not really, straight edge means a drug free hardcore kid.



but most'll still tell you how to live or what you should do
When they can't even figure out who's down with their own crew
or if you should screw or what clothes to wear or bands to listen to

I don't give a crap what you do, and would never tell any one any differently. Funnily enough, the only times I've got into a conversation about why I feel drugs are a bad choice, is when a non edge person has questioned my choices.


I agree whole-heartedly: There are huge drug-problems and everybody's got 'em
We all run the black market. Try coming up from the bottom
of the well called society.
If drugs and guns what I see crazy violence is what I might be
You think I'm afraid of a guitar player sniping me?
its probably boredom and the lack of education and fair laws
that pack a stack of blacks into the ghetto to feed the jail jaws
or it might be a primordial urge to alter consciousness
Drugs have been used for 30 000 years what you thinking you'll stop, bitch?

I've made a small impact around me, and that's good enough for me. Perhaps vegans should stop being vegan too?


lets look at things we have in common not draw lines in the dirt
you want to prevent drug's damage but you aren't concerned
about the people you claim to wanna hurt?
We're all special and have inalienable rights
Vigilante moods don’t mean you can take a persons life

Again with the violence.


Bridge:
belligerent and aloof without proofs
can often describe your personality
not to stereotype in finality
too much speaking in generalities is insanity

I agree! So lets stop stereotyping a whole subculture built up of thousands of individuals by the actions of a very small number of undesirables.


I was told I was stupid and wrong if I disagree with
the ideals no ten edgers agree on so I spit this song
I may be wrong but y'all definitely are that’s why this is long

No we all pretty much agree, no drugs.


Hook:
Mighty worse guys deserving of your curse and rabid despise
than a high person at night eating three deserts then some pies
Not saying your assholes tight but buttsex would treat you right

I don't despise drug users, I feel that there are better ways to get your kicks, but I'm sure you'd think there are better ways to get your kicks than playing with dolls. Are you a doll hater?

As for my ass, I do have constipation issues, but that's probably too much rice.


You got an edge of life I know your feelings ain’t hurt
don't go all berzerk, I know you got some black shirts from the mall
behind your closet door I'm all
dancefloors not tantrum throwers having a ball in a Veteran’s hall

I make my own clothes, so I probably have less clothing from the mall than you do. Oh and Hot topic isn't edge.


Verse 2:
For my friends for myself for my family
I thought you cared about your whole community
No unity? Just you and me?
Justice for your clique and fuck those who oppose you?
Just Us and them? Fuss and phlegm? I don't understand these men am I supposed to?

Indeed I do care about the community, which is why I boycott companies i feel are harmful to the community such as alcohol and tobacco companies to name just a very few, i also offer an example to the kids around me counter to the alcohol and drug fueled ones given to them through various pervasive media. oh yeah and since most of us don;t use violence as a tool, how is this a bad thing?


Are you gonna burn down the only bar in a village
and if nobody gets hurt you don't consider yourself a villain
but Bob Marley was an idiot and Edgar Allen Poe deserved some slugs
cause they made the choice to take chemicals excessively to buzz

No not really, when I lived in England you couldn't get me out of the pub, I'd be drinking orange and tonic till they threw me and my friends out. I think a 3rd place is great.


You fellas aren't bloods, crips, or the Mexican Mafia
that much is obvious Most people are onto ya and not fond of ya
You fellas might be bloodthirsty vicious bitches
but you don't have enough balls in your britches
to throw dead ballas into ditches.
It's tight to want stitches for what's right kid
But refusing to fight along your brothers is short-sighted

Still the violence. sXe isnt a gang, we don't even think it's a gang.


At least you're better than scientologists....
Ian MacKaye was cooler than L Ron Hubbard cause he didn't make a monument
But Hubbard endorsed his religion
and made a bunch of cheese off manipulated opinions
MacKaye just sold records wasn't a t-shirt seller doesn't identify as one of you fellers
He wants you to get your own opinion and not need a labeled scene
don't need drugs to be grinnin' but don't hate a teen who smokes green

You know Mackaye just gave it a name don't you? Also sXe isn't a religion, and I had chosen drug free lifestyle for myself before I even got involved with or knew about sxe. Just because we all believe drugs are a negative thing doesn't mean we are all flowing some one or something. I mean are all pot smokers devoted followers of cheech and chong?


bridge:
Wanted to rush this one out to stun
SXE spoiling your fun? says he wants to rush you with a gun?
argument is won but he remains dumb?

It's ok, I'm still talking.


Just hope he won't jump you with his friends for entertainment
They'll say it was for truth really you threatened their basis
of irrelevancy, vacant moral presidency and layman's rare cases
Oral power the cult of personality fury faces converse shoelaces
and an aversion to black faces and unfamiliarity with stats and dates shit
that was kinda mean but to SXE I'm a fiend already
I don't wanna start a fight but I'm ready

I'm glad yo don't want to fight, because we are for vast majority a non violent people. Also aversion to black faces? I didn't realize we are all supposed to be raciest now.


Verse 3:
I notice no Hispanics Gays or Blacks Did you plan that?

Nope we didn't and I;m sure the gay sXe band xLimp Wristx didn't get the memo either.


straight edge anthems blasted
but you aren't looking for a real gang clash
or an honest brain change just wanna bash
Perhaps you thought too fast
about those you call degenerate trash

Rich White kids getting off on the convictions that make them convicts
like any racist unable to look at facttables that contradict their bullshit fables
Need to read more, not start a war look farther think before you act shady
dogs get mad, people get angry, gangbangers got fangs but still are hot 'n crazy

seriously where are you getting this shit?


you wanna mosh pit? watch it, what does it accomplish?
Flail your arms like that and I'll kick you in your face or armpit
Call it harmless? Bystanders are always hit by you lizardleeches
Join a dance studio that teaches ballet nothing wrong with being gay
you limber bimbo listening to hardcore screeches would like some yay
I'm serious I'm hearing you don't fear this warning I'm delerious
I get upset I wanna watch a band
Spazz and slap me in the face bite off your hand

Now I know you don't think that every asshole in the pit punching people in the face is an edge kid? it certainly seems to be a problem in the hardcore comunity, but there as just as many edge kids sick of getting a bloody nose when all they want to do is enjoy a band as the none edge kids, and just as many none edge kids dealing out the bloody noses.


Kill Your Local Drug Dealer

A lame slogan people on this board have vocally opposed to, look around here and see just how many post opposing this kind of thing have been posted.


and thuglife feeler?
Pills don't make loco brains heal up? It's wrong to re-up
a prescription of prozac I need not to tear up?
zyprexa I need not to tear you up for saying that stuff?
Where're your rough spuds? I think you might've had enough

Once again, not true, sXe is against recreational drugs, these are not recreational. (unless your taking them for a high, then yeah, but you most likely wouldn't have a prescription then)


Outro:
know what i'm saying? Chill the fuck out! ha. I'm one to talk. Alright. deep breaths.
Lots of people are pissed at the state of the world today - I am! who wouldn't be
We're all in the same boat though, don't judge people to harshly

True perhaps you shouldn't judge people too harshly.


I know edge peeps that have always been good to me, they just think this shits funny

Wait. So not even the edge kids you are surrounded by fit into this wacky stereotype of yours?


so laugh, all you mean mugging like I should be afraid of you clowns
Wait till part two baby what's in store...
Hard not to stay and say more
Steven Bawtinhamster
The fuckin' Hungerpuppy
Real life napster got your shit in a mental hamper
MC Non Player Character beware won't fight or bite you
But you need my advice to suffice to grow in this game

I laughed a little bit, but you're no Mitch Hedburg

[SteelKain]

Do you mind if I take your response and put it on my myspace? You make several good points and it would make my attacks be shown for what they are - largely N/A. Thanks for taking the time.
Why I call the label ambiguous is there's disagreement over SSRI's, sexual deviancy, the level of milancy. For example:
http://www.myspace.com/bringbackprohibition
From his blog "sxe is more than just drug free." Italics added.
"The decision to become sxe should not be made in hopes to make good grades or make better money at work. It should be made because you like us are sick of accepting the fucked up insanity passed off as normal. Drug use even in the most casual manner is nothing short of attempted suicide. To willingly take in a known poison just to feed the selfish desire of being high, makes you unworthy of respect in our eyes. Those who choose to disrespect themselves by taking drugs give up all rights. In short addiction makes you a lesser man. The choice to live free of drugs is a righteous noble one, however it means nothing if you are unwilling to use it as a tool to rid the world of its drug induced nightmare.
Straight edge is a lifetime commitment straight edge is a sisterhood a brotherhood a revolution and a war waged on apathy and drugs. Uncompromising resistance living fighting for truth in a world full of half dead and dieing zombies. To die with our convictions is to succeed in life."

Once again, I realize I'm being Generalizing Guy, but understand why people get antsy.

Also, for my own ego, I wasn't trying to make you laugh, silly-billy. Not that I could if I tried, but I just wrote a rap song about my understanding and opinions of sXe.
Unfortunately these thoughts are largely shaped not by a history of hanging out with edgers, but with having a few edge friends and knowing several others around my area along with internet research and listening to music.

If I ever perform this I'll make it more clear that I'm biased, I'm not trying to give sXe a bad name. I might take some rhymes out, particulary the ones about race and sexual preference to show the good side of a drug-free lifestyle.
That would definitely make it a more compelling song.

[xvunderx]

Do you mind if I take your response and put it on my myspace? You make several good points and it would make my attacks be shown for what they are - largely N/A. Thanks for taking the time.
Why I call the label ambiguous is there's disagreement over SSRI's, sexual deviancy, the level of milancy. For example:
http://www.myspace.com/bringbackprohibition

Like I say most "militant" edge kids are just looking for an excuse to beat people up and the excuse they chose was edge, also this is the internet, I dare say most of the "Militant" kids are all internet talk no action.

If a person truly cared enough about the cause to be "militant" they'd be spending their time volunteering in rehab clinics and drug rehabilitation programs for example. Kicking a kids ass for drinking a 40 does zero to change the world.

Next the sex thing isn't an edge issue, it was mentioned once in one song, that's it. Some people like to latch on to that one lyric because of their own repressions, but i can't think of any one who would say "You slept with that guy and you weren't dating?!! oooh edge break!"

On SSRIs I personally would not want to take them, and I'll admit to the subject having come up and I chose to alter other factors in my lifestyle to see if I could balance things out that way. if need be i would take them and as they are medicinal do not come under the blanket of edge. sXe is against recreational drugs use pure and simple, any one trying to expand it out of that are speaking on their own behalf, not for the rest of us involved in the movement.


From his blog "sxe is more than just drug free." Italics added.
"The decision to become sxe should not be made in hopes to make good grades or make better money at work. It should be made because you like us are sick of accepting the fucked up insanity passed off as normal. Drug use even in the most casual manner is nothing short of attempted suicide. To willingly take in a known poison just to feed the selfish desire of being high, makes you unworthy of respect in our eyes. Those who choose to disrespect themselves by taking drugs give up all rights. In short addiction makes you a lesser man. The choice to live free of drugs is a righteous noble one, however it means nothing if you are unwilling to use it as a tool to rid the world of its drug induced nightmare.
Straight edge is a lifetime commitment straight edge is a sisterhood a brotherhood a revolution and a war waged on apathy and drugs. Uncompromising resistance living fighting for truth in a world full of half dead and dieing zombies. To die with our convictions is to succeed in life."

This guy is an idiot, he doesn't represent the sxe community at large at all. I for one don't agree with a single thing he says, and have never met an edge kid who thinks like that.

I do believe the world would be a better place without drugs, I believe that drugs are passive and yeah sometimes I'd go as far as to say weak. I know kids who honestly believe they can't have fun with out a drink, I believe that They and I can make our own fun, I don't believe that it should be bought. I believe that it's better to go out an experience something real like the rush of a late night skate session on actual streets with a few good friends that sitting on a couch with a funny head ache.

I believe that drugs come like pubic hair to most people, that they turn 18 (21 here in the States) and put a beer bottle in their hands because that to them is a symbol of adulthood, and it's what their fathers and their fathers farther did. Not because they thought about what they are actually doing.

I want people to think about what they chose to do with their minds and bodies, not to just follow the flow, I want more people to experience life and not just buy escapism.

How is any of this a bad thing?

And no don't lose respect for a person because they do drugs, even if we're just talking about a glass if wine with a meal, that would be insane. And as for addicts I just feel bad for them.

Using this kid as an example of edge is kinda like going into town and finding a crazy drunk and using him as an example of what all people who drink are like. there are extremes in any group, but they aren't the best people to look at to get a base reading.


Once again, I realize I'm being Generalizing Guy, but understand why people get antsy.

See here's the rub, there have been people who have been edge and used it as an excuse for violence, media outlets have grabbed onto that minority because they give a good story not because they are the norm amongst edge society. The real pisser is, because people like to look at the odd extreme example that's the image of the scene that gets put out, and in turn attracts violent individuals to the scene, in many ways people putting this kind of thing out there make the problem bigger, and erode a good scene built up of good people.

These people make a big noise, and people like you listen, but they are all noise, and not representative of our scene and culture.

Do you have any idea what if might be like to be in a conversation with a person you like and respect and have them look shocked and amazed when you say you are edge followed by "really!? I thought edge kids were just violet neo Nazis?"

People have a bad idea of who we are and what we are about, because people want to put out a horror story and don't give a crap about who we are and what we do.

Check out the record Rusty Medals And Broken Badges by Over My Dead Body.


Also, for my own ego, I wasn't trying to make you laugh, silly-billy. Not that I could if I tried, but I just wrote a rap song about my understanding and opinions of sXe.
Unfortunately these thoughts are largely shaped not by a history of hanging out with edgers, but with having a few edge friends and knowing several others around my area along with internet research and listening to music.

If you haven't personally been attacked by a group of angry edgers, why go on internet hear say and go to the lengths of writing a song?

I know you weren't trying to be funny, but everything is so off base that as a straight edge person I can't take it seriously, just like I can't take the kid on Myspace seriously.

Here is a real life anecdote...

I went to an sXe all dayer, nothing but edge bands from morning till night, a club filled with hundreds of edge kids and some none edge kids, a few non edge kids were drinking beer, and no one cared, a load of old dudes who frequented the club were there drinking ale and no one said a word to them, and no one cared.

the reason I went to the lengths of writing such a long post is because I am tired of being called a Nazi, I'm tried of being told I'm a thuged out wanna be ganster, and I'm tired of mud being flung at a scene I love full of great people I respect.


If I ever perform this I'll make it more clear that I'm biased, I'm not trying to give sXe a bad name. I might take some rhymes out, particularly the ones about race and sexual preference to show the good side of a drug-free lifestyle.
That would definitely make it a more compelling song.

If you aren't trying to give sxe a bad name why bother? All this song does is accuse thousands of good productive people all over the world of heinous shit, and it isn't even because you've had a bad experience, it's because of some internet blow hard.

[SteelKain]

It's because of a bunch of Internet and real-life blowhards. Thanks for the feedback. It's heavily appreciated.

[xvunderx]

It's because of a bunch of Internet and real-life blowhards. Thanks for the feedback. It's heavily appreciated.

But you have no experience of these "real life" kids, and you are still attacking me and every one here and across the globe based on something you haven't experienced.

I'd also like to add that it's been largely historical, and based on a few individuals in localized places such as Salt Lake City.

I mean would it be fair for me to write a song about how all rapers and fans are rich black guys who love to gang bang because I have heard 50 cent? there are a few who fit that model so I guess that would be fair right?

This is exactly what you are doing, only straight edge bands don't even write and sing about or promote the things you're are talking about at all let alone in the same way people like 50 Cent talk about the things I just mentioned.

[SteelKain]

My sXe friends all hold views akin to xBBPx's myspace blog, and I think they're full of shit. They're very nice to me even though we disagree, but they still think drug-users are shitty people and other extreme views.
Once again,
Here is a song I wrote about my fear of a fascist rich white straight-edge movement.
Taking it as a personal attack is like Chuck D being offended when a song disses 50 cent.

[mouseman004]

My sXe friends all hold views akin to xBBPx's myspace blog, and I think they're full of shit. They're very nice to me even though we disagree, but they still think drug-users are shitty people and other extreme views.
Once again,
Here is a song I wrote about my fear of a fascist rich white straight-edge movement.
Taking it as a personal attack is like Chuck D being offended when a song disses 50 cent.


I hate to tell you but the straight edge movement is neither Facist nor is it a rich white kid movement. The people you are getting your ideas from must have a severe misunderstanding of straight edge.

That being said, yes it is a personal attack on anybody who follows the straight edge label. Lets look at it this way. If I knew somebody who was friends with you, and they said that you were a fucking moron (im not saying you are this is just an example) then I go out and write a song called "steelkain is a fucking moron" then would you find that offensive?

because it would be the same situation. I would be taking somebodys warped opinion about you, and writing a song about it despite not actually knowing you. That is the same thing you are doing. You are taking somebody elses warped ideas of straight edge, and writing a song bashing it without actually knowing anything about it. Do you catch my drift?

[SteelKain]

Yea, I get what you're saying. I decided to never make this into a song. I don't want to alienate people with my music by attacking them.
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Hopefully you didn't feel incensed. I apologize to those who were offended.

[mouseman004]

Yea, I get what you're saying. I decided to never make this into a song. I don't want to alienate people with my music by attacking them.
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Hopefully you didn't feel incensed. I apologize to those who were offended.


Thats cool. Don't get me wrong, I was not angry or anything, you asked for feedback so I just gave my impression thats all. I think its cool that you came for criticism or feedback before you just made the song without any real knowledge about the subject. It would be nicer if more artists did the same thing.

[xvunderx]

My sXe friends all hold views akin to xBBPx's myspace blog, and I think they're full of shit. They're very nice to me even though we disagree, but they still think drug-users are shitty people and other extreme views.

If they are your friends, they can't think that any one who uses drugs is worthy of nothing but contempt, and you can't be friends with someone you feel is less than human. I also have to ask at this point how old you and your friends are?


Once again,
Here is a song I wrote about my fear of a fascist rich white straight-edge movement.
Taking it as a personal attack is like Chuck D being offended when a song disses 50 cent.

Also your Chuck D analogy doesn't make sense, whilst you are attacking an entire group of people of which I am a part, the person in your example would be attacking an individual that Chuck D has nothing to do with. It would be like you writing a song about why Throw Down suck, which I wouldn't be able to disagree with.

You talk about a "rich white fascist movement" which isn't sxe all. First up it's global, I've had contact with scenes in the Philippines, Indonesia, Japan, Uruguay, Argentina etc, we have kids here from Chile, Hungary and most recently Serbia, are you going to tell me all these kids are rich white mall rats?

Is rap anti white because it has a largely black following here in the states?

2nd of all no one here is telling any one what to do or trying to infinge on any ones personal freedoms. I personally would like to see more people CHOSE not to do drugs. Drugs are the path society guides us all along, I'd like to see a world in which people think more and make perhaps better CHOICES.

If your issue is with people who would use force to take away your choices, then that's fine, but that isn't a problem with edge, that might be a beef with a small number of people who also happen to be edge, but it isn't something central to our subculture, or unique to it. It's more like the people who would bomb an abortion clinic, fly a plane into a tower etc.

[SteelKain]

I'm 18, and my edge friends are 20-21.

[stepinsideissue]

I hate to tell you but the straight edge movement is neither Facist nor is it a rich white kid movement. The people you are getting your ideas from must have a severe misunderstanding of straight edge.

That being said, yes it is a personal attack on anybody who follows the straight edge label. Lets look at it this way. If I knew somebody who was friends with you, and they said that you were a fucking moron (im not saying you are this is just an example) then I go out and write a song called "steelkain is a fucking moron" then would you find that offensive?

because it would be the same situation. I would be taking somebodys warped opinion about you, and writing a song about it despite not actually knowing you. That is the same thing you are doing. You are taking somebody elses warped ideas of straight edge, and writing a song bashing it without actually knowing anything about it. Do you catch my drift?


Thats not true. Ed got rich off of sXe.

[xsecx]

Yea, I get what you're saying. I decided to never make this into a song. I don't want to alienate people with my music by attacking them.
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Hopefully you didn't feel incensed. I apologize to those who were offended.

but you were ok with writing something attacking a group of people that wasn't based on factual information, calling us racist, homophobic and fascist?

[straightXed]

Thats not true. Ed got rich off of sXe.

Me? Or another ed?

[SteelKain]

Yea, I write lyrics often. About stuff I "have no right to talk about".
Some straight-edgers have these quaint opinions which I 'discuss' in my song.

[xsecx]

Yea, I write lyrics often. About stuff I "have no right to talk about".
Some straight-edgers have these quaint opinions which I 'discuss' in my song.

and non straight edgers also have the same 'quaint opinions' and those opinions aren't part of straight edge and aren't reflected by the community at large. You wrote lyrics not based on facts and certainly not based on your own experiences.

[Sand Stealer]

Hey, he did apologise, and while he did write some things in the song which were kind of offensive to straight edge people, he did apologise when he realised he was wrong. Maybe we should give him a break?

[xsecx]

Hey, he did apologise, and while he did write some things in the song which were kind of offensive to straight edge people, he did apologise when he realised he was wrong. Maybe we should give him a break?

Yeah but the point that I'm trying to make is that the things he decided to write about weren't based on any actual research or experience and was a hatchet job. he called an entire group of people racist and homophobic and fascist based on nothing.

[SteelKain]

As for research, there are lots of myspaces with angry straightedgers threatening drug users with violence. And I have yet to see one from a nonwhite.
Plus it's a song not journalism.

[xsecx]

As for research, there are lots of myspaces with angry straightedgers threatening drug users with violence. And I have yet to see one from a nonwhite.
Plus it's a song not journalism.

clearly, myspace is the be all end all in terms of humanity.

so songs shouldn't be accurate either? just accept the fact that you wrote some bullshit and leave it where it belongs.

[PROPER JERK]

I spend my days stroking my ak-47 hunting drug dealers and always muttering under my breath "this is a war, straight fuckin edge". Sometimes my buddy xmaniacx likes to put on his costume and becomes the edge break monster... we go around rollin mofo sellouts. I listen to throwdown even in my sleep and I am probably the most crucial dude ever invented. 5 kids I found smoking dope in the park died in my garage earlier tonight because I was so enraged by your song.

[Welshcai]

im just a kid from Wales, does this make me some kind of violent person?

[xGriffox]

the fact that you use the term "bitch" is pretty lame in my opinion.

also there are gays, blacks, and latinos involved in straight edge.
Look at the band Limp Wrist (all gay).

[Sand Stealer]

Yeah but the point that I'm trying to make is that the things he decided to write about weren't based on any actual research or experience and was a hatchet job. he called an entire group of people racist and homophobic and fascist based on nothing.

I suppose you're right there sec. I have to admit that I resent being called homophobic when I'm not exactly straight myself...