All Things Core

[X-Over-O]

Well we all love hardcore. But what kinds of hardcore in specific?

My favourites are of course old school hardcore and hardcore punk. But I also love the newer metalcore stuff, from such bands as

I Killed The Prom Queen
Parkway Drive
The Agony Scene
Still Remains
Bleeding Through

Those are my favourites. I also love anything pre-hardcore and post-harcore (typically screamo, or emoviolence) and emocore. My post-hardcore favourite include

Aiden
Alexisonfire
Underoath

etc. All good stuff.

But of course, the elite hardcore punk comes down to Minor Threat and the likes!



Over to you?

[xGloryCityDisasterx]

Well we all love hardcore. But what kinds of hardcore in specific?

My favourites are of course old school hardcore and hardcore punk. But I also love the newer metalcore stuff, from such bands as

I Killed The Prom Queen
Parkway Drive
The Agony Scene
Still Remains
Bleeding Through

Those are my favourites. I also love anything pre-hardcore and post-harcore (typically screamo, or emoviolence) and emocore. My post-hardcore favourite include

Aiden
Alexisonfire
Underoath

etc. All good stuff.

But of course, the elite hardcore punk comes down to Minor Threat and the likes!



Over to you?

I like the 80's hardcore scene the most but I also like Aiden, Underoath, Norma Jean, and Zombies at my neighbors. Quick questions: was the original term of hardcore for the hardcore punk bands or the hardcore/metal-ish bands?

[straightXed]

I like the 80's hardcore scene the most but I also like Aiden, Underoath, Norma Jean, and Zombies at my neighbors. Quick questions: was the original term of hardcore for the hardcore punk bands or the hardcore/metal-ish bands?

hardcore metal crossovers came much later down the line, as hardcore spawned it came about as something to set itself aside from the punk scene at that time and became a unique style of music in its own right. That was early eighties and any metal influence didn't really become prominant until the 90's.

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hardcore metal crossovers came much later down the line, as hardcore spawned it came about as something to set itself aside from the punk scene at that time and became a unique style of music in its own right. That was early eighties and any metal influence didn't really become prominant until the 90's.

it started with Judge and Slapshot in the late 80s though.

[straightXed]

it started with Judge and Slapshot in the late 80s though.

there were also bands like cro mags and soia which showed evidence of metal influence but the 90's saw bands sound a lot more metal, bands like judge and slapshot were further removed from metal to the point that metal wasn't easily descriptive of their sound, which in my opinion is a fairly good thing as the line between metal and hardcore did tend to get somewhat blured later on.

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there were also bands like cro mags and soia which showed evidence of metal influence but the 90's saw bands sound a lot more metal, bands like judge and slapshot were further removed from metal to the point that metal wasn't easily descriptive of their sound, which in my opinion is a fairly good thing as the line between metal and hardcore did tend to get somewhat blured later on.

it's the start of the guitar solo man....

[xGloryCityDisasterx]

hardcore metal crossovers came much later down the line, as hardcore spawned it came about as something to set itself aside from the punk scene at that time and became a unique style of music in its own right. That was early eighties and any metal influence didn't really become prominant until the 90's.

thanks

[xGriffox]

hmmm I'm not sure, I'm gonna say darker hardcore? i donno the exact name. Here are some bands i greatly enjoy:

Envy (Epic japanese hardcore/screamo and post rock-y)
Catharsis (amazing, thats it)
His Hero is Gone (Crusty, crushing, dark)
Fall of Efrafa (epic, crusty, with a cello)

I'm also a fan of japanese hardcore:
Gudon
Gauze
G.I.S.M
Paintbox

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hmmm I'm not sure, I'm gonna say darker hardcore? i donno the exact name. Here are some bands i greatly enjoy:

Envy (Epic japanese hardcore/screamo and post rock-y)
Catharsis (amazing, thats it)
His Hero is Gone (Crusty, crushing, dark)
Fall of Efrafa (epic, crusty, with a cello)

I'm also a fan of japanese hardcore:
Gudon
Gauze
G.I.S.M
Paintbox

you have a weird concept of what hardcore is.

[xGriffox]

you have a weird concept of what hardcore is.
what can i say, hardcore is a broad genre.

I'm into all the "classic" hardcore as well, gorilla biscuits, youth of today, minor threat and all that. I just like to keep variety in my music.

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what can i say, hardcore is a broad genre.

I'm into all the "classic" hardcore as well, gorilla biscuits, youth of today, minor threat and all that. I just like to keep variety in my music.

yeah but using terms like hardcore to describe his hero is gone and gb just isn't accurate. Variety is one thing, calling something that it's not is another.

[xGriffox]

yeah but using terms like hardcore to describe his hero is gone and gb just isn't accurate. Variety is one thing, calling something that it's not is another.
well, what would you consider his hero is gone? or any of the other bands i listed? i mean i feel like all of them have a strong hardcore influence.

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well, what would you consider his hero is gone? or any of the other bands i listed? i mean i feel like all of them have a strong hardcore influence.

catharsis and hhig are metal bands. This is exactly the point when something sounds nothing like what comes before it or even what's around it, it ends up getting a label that doesn't fit. When people can describe a band as screamo/crust/hardcore/metal that's a pretty good sign that it's an attempt to fit something in with a bunch of things that it really doesn't fit into at all.
What hardcore influence? breakdowns?

[xGriffox]

catharsis and hhig are metal bands. This is exactly the point when something sounds nothing like what comes before it or even what's around it, it ends up getting a label that doesn't fit. When people can describe a band as screamo/crust/hardcore/metal that's a pretty good sign that it's an attempt to fit something in with a bunch of things that it really doesn't fit into at all.
What hardcore influence? breakdowns?

well i don't hear any iron maiden style guitar solos in either of those bands' music, so maybe they aren't metal either.

I will admit they have a metal influence, but you can't see a hardcore influence either?

Also, where are the breakdowns in any minor threat?

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well i don't hear any iron maiden style guitar solos in either of those bands' music, so maybe they aren't metal either.

I will admit they have a metal influence, but you can't see a hardcore influence either?

Also, where are the breakdowns in any minor threat?


influence doesn't make a genre though, sound does. What hardcore influence comes through in those bands? lyrics? vocals?

where did I say that breakdowns were the defining part of hardcore? I was using that as an example to try and understand what you think would be a strong hardcore influence in those bands.

[xGriffox]

influence doesn't make a genre though, sound does. What hardcore influence comes through in those bands? lyrics? vocals?

where did I say that breakdowns were the defining part of hardcore? I was using that as an example to try and understand what you think would be a strong hardcore influence in those bands.

well to me at least, they sound like hardcore influenced crust/metal bands. so i guess i see your point, they aren't necessarily hardcore on their own. And i can't explain why i think they sound hardcore, its just, they do, to me at least.

[D1988]

Also, where are the breakdowns in any minor threat?

Whaaaat?

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Whaaaat?

they didn't have any. breakdowns didn't start until the late 80s/early 90s.

[D1988]

they didn't have any. breakdowns didn't start until the late 80s/early 90s.

I was being wide mate hehe

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I was being wide mate hehe

damn you internet sarcasm!

[D1988]

damn you internet sarcasm!

Yeah I do apologise, I have been in the same position as that but I am like you, I can't tell some ones personal expression from typed words most of the time, so it is cool :)

[PROPER JERK]

I listened to hardcore when I was pretty young but never got really into it until I started listening to east bay bands like redemption 87 around the time I was about 14. When I went to buy I think it was a rancid cd I talked to the guy working in the store and he wrote me a list of all different stuff to check out and I basically got into youth of today etc. from that.

At the moment I listen to stuff like:

Sinking Ships
Verse
Have Heart
Shipwreck
Guns Up
Outbreak
Filth
Bane

[stepinsideissue]

Lately I've been listening to Miles Away alot. I think they are an amazing band and think you guys should check them out.

[PROPER JERK]

yeh miles away are very good, getting very popular here now though.

[Michael]

Cold World anyone?

[Slober]

His Hero Is Gone is definitely hardcore. I've never heard any one even arguing about this. Crust hardcore has also definitely been influenced by metal greatly, but it's more punk. Grindcore is the one that goes on the metal side of the genre of dark and fast stuff.

I myself listen to pretty much anything, except those new screamo bands that are being labeled as hardcore. You know the ones with clean vocals ruining every song, like the stuff that X-over-O listed. I also stay away from the arrogant moshcore stuff.

I like the intelligent, political and sometimes emotional stuff about life.

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His Hero Is Gone is definitely hardcore. I've never heard any one even arguing about this.

they call themselves crust punk, which is definitely not hardcore. I've never seen anyone call them hardcore myself.

[Slober]

they call themselves crust punk, which is definitely not hardcore. I've never seen anyone call them hardcore myself.
I've always thought crust is a subgenre of hardcore.


Crust punk is one of the many extreme evolutions of anarcho-punk and styles of hardcore punk. Crust punk was created by combining anarcho-punk with extreme metal and is characterized by guttural or shrill vocals (often in the form of dual vocals) and an unpolished gritty, bass-heavy sound. Crust is very closely related to and influenced by D-beat and anarcho-punk. Grindcore is often influenced by Crust Punk.
I think we are both right... it's not that important, but I would still like to call crust atleast much more PUNK than METAL, because of the lyrics and attitude.

[asiankaos]

I listen to a lot of youth crew. That is what i got into first when I got into hardcore. I also listen to a lot of 90's hardcore. Frail,Groundwork,Unbroken,Fingerprint etc..
I like some of the new bands but I am kinda sick of metalcore. It still is alright but not very original.You can't make a whole song a breakdown come on.