What it is to be edge.

[Will]

Hey guys,

I do not call myself straight-edge. This is because I do occasionally enjoy alcohol, though always in small amounts. I don't let myself get drunk and I keep control of who I am. I appreciate that you can only take my word on this, and it's not the same as denying yourself any drugs whatsoever.

The reason I tell you this is because I believe very strongly in the hardcore ideas of being yourself, standing up for who you're proud to be. I have considered becoming edge but I've always decided not to because I felt that denying myself any alcohol at all wouldn't make me a better person, it would just be being somebody I'm not for the sake of the rules.

Please understand that I'm not writing this to undermine anything that you guys and girls do, I have a lot of respect for it. I bring it up merely to ask, what do you all personally think is more important (in life generally): strictly following the rules of straight edge; or being exactly who you want to be, and not following for the sake of following?

[SgtD]

Hey guys,

I do not call myself straight-edge. This is because I do occasionally enjoy alcohol, though always in small amounts. I don't let myself get drunk and I keep control of who I am. I appreciate that you can only take my word on this, and it's not the same as denying yourself any drugs whatsoever.

The reason I tell you this is because I believe very strongly in the hardcore ideas of being yourself, standing up for who you're proud to be. I have considered becoming edge but I've always decided not to because I felt that denying myself any alcohol at all wouldn't make me a better person, it would just be being somebody I'm not for the sake of the rules.

Please understand that I'm not writing this to undermine anything that you guys and girls do, I have a lot of respect for it. I bring it up merely to ask, what do you all personally think is more important (in life generally): strictly following the rules of straight edge; or being exactly who you want to be, and not following for the sake of following?

if you feel like denying yourself alcohol just for the sake to fit in, live by some rules, whatever, don't do it.
A lot of my friends drink, and they are great people, just follow your heart, and live the life you want to live, it's up to you to decide.

P.S. Are you Will Smith?

[xjohykx]

if you feel like denying yourself alcohol just for the sake to fit in, live by some rules, whatever, don't do it.
A lot of my friends drink, and they are great people, just follow your heart, and live the life you want to live, it's up to you to decide.

P.S. Are you Will Smith?

yes, i must agree with Dini...I´m edge and i feel it very natural, not as living by some rules. Just do what you feel suitable for you.

Being edge doesn´t make you "better person" by itself, as well as drinking doesn´t make you "worst person" automatically..

[Will]

That's cool, I know some edge people who seem to care more about whether or not a person is straight edge than what they are actually like, and then they don't want to talk music with you or whatever. That's not to say I was assuming that's what all edge people are like.

Hehe, no, I'm not Will Smith.

[xjohykx]

That's cool, I know some edge people who seem to care more about whether or not a person is straight edge than what they are actually like, and then they don't want to talk music with you or whatever. That's not to say I was assuming that's what all edge people are like.

Hehe, no, I'm not Will Smith.

I usually meet a lot of "non-edge" people at the sXe bands gigs and i always have an interesting chat with them. And I also know a bunch of egde people with very aggresive and intolerant manner so by my opinion it´s very relative. Unfortunately a lot of sxe people are behaving like some sectarian members...

Live your life faithfully, does´n matter if you´re edge or not.

[SgtD]

Hehe, no, I'm not Will Smith.

are you sure?

[Will]

From a wider philosophical point of view, can any of us really be sure that we're not Will Smith?

Other than that, I'm definitely not. I've got red hair and no family-friendly rap/acting career that I can think of.

[D1988]

"Excuse me Ma'am, is this abrasive negro bothering you"

hahaha, Will Smith is awesome.

[SgtD]

"Excuse me Ma'am, is this abrasive negro bothering you"

hahaha, Will Smith is awesome.

he and his wife are fond of chugga-chugga metalcore, and were planning to do a documentary on sxe, if memory serves well...

[swallow]

I am edge for myself, but just like said on the above, I find very natural for me not to drink/use etc. So it's more like not eating something you don't like.

(Gosh, what an example, I'm going to shoot myself)

[D1988]

he and his wife are fond of chugga-chugga metalcore, and were planning to do a documentary on sxe, if memory serves well...

Good memory. I believe it was something to do with "courage crew", I cringed when I heard about it all. Glad to see nothing has surfaced so far and I hope it stays this way.

[chadfitzy]

for me its a little bit of both, but not necesarily straight edge rules but my own. ive had to many urges to try things but i put it off for many reasons. so its a little but of both.

[mrjoe815]

well for me..i'm living this way cuz I want to. I'm not too fond of all that other stuff..although i admit it's tempting when you're at a party with friends..but ya.

[XTrueColorsX]

Hey!

I heard many things, so can someone tell me what is the difference between straight edge and the poison free lifestyle? Are there any differences?
Thank you and sorry for the bad english! :)

[xsecx]

Hey!

I heard many things, so can someone tell me what is the difference between straight edge and the poison free lifestyle? Are there any differences?
Thank you and sorry for the bad english! :)

the biggest difference is that straight edge is a subculture that centers around being drug free and tied together with hardcore music. Poison free is just being drug free.

[XTrueColorsX]

the biggest difference is that straight edge is a subculture that centers around being drug free and tied together with hardcore music. Poison free is just being drug free.

Ok, I see. But I've never seen a single man who had a "Poison free" tattoo and doesn't belong to hardcore culture by any form, just live a drug free life. This is just an example, but can you understand my problem? I don't want to prove you are wrong. I think who call himself or herself "poison free", these people are all hardcore or sxe kids.

I rather call myself "drug free" or "poison free" than sxe, but I heard many things. For example: If you don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs you can call yourself sxe, but the poison free person is trying to leave all the substances. Coffeine, medicines..etc.

Is it true?

[xsecx]

Ok, I see. But I've never seen a single man who had a "Poison free" tattoo and doesn't belong to hardcore culture by any form, just live a drug free life. This is just an example, but can you understand my problem? I don't want to prove you are wrong. I think who call himself or herself "poison free", these people are all hardcore or sxe kids.

I rather call myself "drug free" or "poison free" than sxe, but I heard many things. For example: If you don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs you can call yourself sxe, but the poison free person is trying to leave all the substances. Coffeine, medicines..etc.

Is it true?

yeah, but that's because tattoo's are also a part of the culture as well as the use of the term poison free. The main difference though is that poison free isn't exclusive to hardcore, people outside of hardcore do use the term to refer to themselves and it doesn't have the same connotations with it that straight edge does.

I don't really know the answer to your second one. That's something I've never heard and I've been straight edge for well over half my life at this point, but this could be localized to where you are rather than reflect the views of people worldwide.

[XTrueColorsX]

yeah, but that's because tattoo's are also a part of the culture as well as the use of the term poison free. The main difference though is that poison free isn't exclusive to hardcore, people outside of hardcore do use the term to refer to themselves and it doesn't have the same connotations with it that straight edge does.

I don't really know the answer to your second one. That's something I've never heard and I've been straight edge for well over half my life at this point, but this could be localized to where you are rather than reflect the views of people worldwide.

Thank You for the answer!

[Sunlightseven20]

Ask THIS GUY:

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[CarlaRant]

yeah, but that's because tattoo's are also a part of the culture as well as the use of the term poison free. The main difference though is that poison free isn't exclusive to hardcore, people outside of hardcore do use the term to refer to themselves and it doesn't have the same connotations with it that straight edge does.

I don't really know the answer to your second one. That's something I've never heard and I've been straight edge for well over half my life at this point, but this could be localized to where you are rather than reflect the views of people worldwide.

I saw this thread earlier and wasn't going to say anything, but it's been bothering me.

I find this statement as exclusionary with a touch of elitism. So if a person who prefers rap music, or any other type of music other than hardcore, who doesn't drink, smoke or have promiscuous sex wants to call himself straight edge, he would be told he was wrong? I understand recognizing the roots of where a belief system/movement comes from, but isolating it doesn't promote it in a positive light at all. I encourage people to live the same lifestyle if it suits them. But I suppose I can only be considered drug/posion free since I haven't actually be involved with hardcore since I moved to AZ.

[xsecx]

I saw this thread earlier and wasn't going to say anything, but it's been bothering me.

I find this statement as exclusionary with a touch of elitism. So if a person who prefers rap music, or any other type of music other than hardcore, who doesn't drink, smoke or have promiscuous sex wants to call himself straight edge, he would be told he was wrong? I understand recognizing the roots of where a belief system/movement comes from, but isolating it doesn't promote it in a positive light at all. I encourage people to live the same lifestyle if it suits them. But I suppose I can only be considered drug/posion free since I haven't actually be involved with hardcore since I moved to AZ.

how would they be straight edge? Straight edge is more than just a set of beliefs, it's a subculture that revolves around hardcore music. Someone who is drug free and listens to rap isn't straight edge, they're something else and different, and I don't really understand why they should co-opt the term straight edge when it doesn't really accurately describe them. This isn't to say that different is bad, just that it's different. The beliefs are common, but the lifestyle is not.

[Sunlightseven20]

Indiscriminate I'd rather be elite
I'll choose my own shit scene
Unsubstantiated rumors flown are true
I'm here for me not you

Nonconglumurate I mean what I say
I'm not your fucking scape
Goat apparently I've alienated some
It seems my job's half done

You'll never understand it
Try to buy and brand it
I win, you lose, cause it's my job
To keep punk rock elite

This music ain't your fuckin' industry

[XTrueColorsX]

how would they be straight edge? Straight edge is more than just a set of beliefs, it's a subculture that revolves around hardcore music. Someone who is drug free and listens to rap isn't straight edge, they're something else and different, and I don't really understand why they should co-opt the term straight edge when it doesn't really accurately describe them. This isn't to say that different is bad, just that it's different. The beliefs are common, but the lifestyle is not.

I agree with you...
But...
For example: an sxe band is on the stage. I'm going up to the stage and I stop the guitarist. "Ok man, there was some metal riffs, you are not hardcore, and because of this you are not straight edge! Get Out! " Or "Hey singer guy! You sing like a rapper! You are not hardcore! You are not sxe." So I don't know where are the borderlines. I always say: the main thing is the attitude. If the attitude is hardcore. That is hardcore. If the attitude is sxe. That is sxe.
There are many guys who says who is hardcore and who is not. I call this guys "hardcore policemen". That's why I don't call myself straight edge. I always say I'm drug free.
So where are the borderlines? In this question I have to say I don't know the answer.

(Sorry for bad english again! :) )

[xsecx]

I agree with you...
But...
For example: an sxe band is on the stage. I'm going up to the stage and I stop the guitarist. "Ok man, there was some metal riffs, you are not hardcore, and because of this you are not straight edge! Get Out! " Or "Hey singer guy! You sing like a rapper! You are not hardcore! You are not sxe." So I don't know where are the borderlines. I always say: the main thing is the attitude. If the attitude is hardcore. That is hardcore. If the attitude is sxe. That is sxe.
There are many guys who says who is hardcore and who is not. I call this guys "hardcore policemen". That's why I don't call myself straight edge. I always say I'm drug free.
So where are the borderlines? In this question I have to say I don't know the answer.

(Sorry for bad english again! :) )

yeah, but that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for people with no connection or involvement in hardcore to say that they're straight edge. The example you gave above just doesn't make sense since it'd be happening at a hardcore show. The way I see it you can't be straight edge if you don't understand the history and you can't understand the history without listening to and appreciating hardcore, otherwise you'll never understand specifically where straight edge came from and what it was actually saying.

[rodrigo]

i think it was Viv who gave this really simple example.

you can have your head shaved but that doesnt make you a skinhead

[XTrueColorsX]

yeah, but that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for people with no connection or involvement in hardcore to say that they're straight edge. The example you gave above just doesn't make sense since it'd be happening at a hardcore show. The way I see it you can't be straight edge if you don't understand the history and you can't understand the history without listening to and appreciating hardcore, otherwise you'll never understand specifically where straight edge came from and what it was actually saying.

"The way I see it you can't be straight edge if you don't understand the history and you can't understand the history without listening to and appreciating hardcore, otherwise you'll never understand specifically where straight edge came from and what it was actually saying."

This is true and I totally agree with that. Sorry if I take you up wrong.

[-Benny-]

For me.......I think sXe is not a religion,and the Logos just for personal,this is a life position,and the rules is not rigid,this create by person,so i sopport you come to be a sXe,
telling people sXe is a Life Position,not a Life rules.........

[xflintsxfinestx]

i think saying you are poison free or drug free is just an easy way to take a half ass stand against something and leave yourself a way out. that way when you sell out you can just say i was never starightedge. if you believe in something strong enough why the hell would you only wanna go half way with it.

[mouseman004]

i think saying you are poison free or drug free is just an easy way to take a half ass stand against something and leave yourself a way out. that way when you sell out you can just say i was never starightedge. if you believe in something strong enough why the hell would you only wanna go half way with it.

There are tons of people who are drug free that don't associate with straight edge though. Saying you are "Poison Free" does not show any less committment than saying you are "straight edge".

[straightXed]

i think saying you are poison free or drug free is just an easy way to take a half ass stand against something and leave yourself a way out. that way when you sell out you can just say i was never starightedge. if you believe in something strong enough why the hell would you only wanna go half way with it.

But they weren't straightedge they were drug free or poison free, so yes, they can say they were never straightedge and its nothing more than an accurate fact.

[XTrueColorsX]

For me my lifestyle is not different than sxe. I believe in the same values, I listen to the same music.
A few years ago I had a big fight with myself. I was in different friend circles. So there was a question, what am I ? Where I belong to? I knew I'm hardcore and I'm sxe but I wanted to hanging out with my different crews.
A friend of mine says "Hey dude, you can be a football fan and a sxe kid at the same time...", but for me this was not a simple question.
But I found the inner peace and I found the truth within and I call myself poison free, because this is a symbol for me.
It symbolizes I choose my own path.

[xflintsxfinestx]

so if you are not straightedge than why do you have x's around your name. like i said you are half ass getting into something. and who gives a fuck who you hang around with. if you are effected by the people you are around you are a definate sellout in the making. thats why your not straightedge. cause it has nothing to do with other people just you

[XTrueColorsX]

so if you are not straightedge than why do you have x's around your name. like i said you are half ass getting into something. and who gives a fuck who you hang around with. if you are effected by the people you are around you are a definate sellout in the making. thats why your not straightedge. cause it has nothing to do with other people just you

Hey, you don't know me. You don't know shit about me . If you will see me in a f*ckin' pub drinking, you can call me sellout .
I said that for me there is not diferrence between my lifestyle and straight edge. My friends say I'm straight edge and not problem for me. I'm straight edge but I usually use drug free or poison free over straight edge to describe myself.
The name is not important, I have these values in my heart. What's the difference between a nazi and a guy who doesn't call himself nazi but hates every race. For me nothing.
I haven't got sxe crew, I haven't got shemagh around my face, I'm not a tough guy but I will be here next year. I can ensure you...

[xflintsxfinestx]

sounds like you lost your inner peace there for a minute

[XTrueColorsX]

sounds like you lost your inner peace there for a minute

Precisely so...