Cigarettes- wtf sXe?

[jesusXwas]

So this kid obviously not straight edge because he was smoking a cigarette was at a local house show, this kid also was wearing a blue shirt that said i am straight edge. and his friends were claiming straight edge in there own way, while also smoking cigarettes.

I don't get it.

will someone please explain this to me?

[chadfitzy]

they were probably adicted to something hard and than quit, so thought that that was straight edge, i had a friend like that. i mean once you do speed or extasy or somethin glike that a cigarette seems like nothing, so they dobt think it against edge

[solitary echo]

but sometimes.. unfortunatly there are posers.. i know of a few from my school..

[CarlaRant]

I took my husband to a "party"/rave when we were first dating and someone approached him to buy some ecstacy when I went to the restroom. He claimed edge at the time and told the girl that he was straightedge. She said she was too, but she was "just running" for the night. This of course confused Hubby to no end. I asked one of my friends who played in an industrial band about it and he said the same thing--that if a kid who was hooked on something hard (coke, ecstacy, speed) and got clean, they would claim drugfree or edge.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

I really dont understand why anyone would claim SXE if they wernt actually living the lifestyle. In my personal opinion i think people should claim after they have been living it for a while. No offence to anyone but i think its mad when someone claims the same day they quit everything just to take it back a week later once they have 'fallen off the wagon'

I know a few people who lived the sxe life for months, even longer before claiming to be sxe. also i have friends who are not straight edge and dont claim it but still listen too and enjoy the music. I guess though there will always be posers and people saying things that there not, ah well :)

hope that makes sense lol

[jesusXwas]

thanks guys that really helps
any other comments are also appreciated

[chino]

I took my husband to a "party"/rave when we were first dating and someone approached him to buy some ecstacy when I went to the restroom. He claimed edge at the time and told the girl that he was straightedge. She said she was too, but she was "just running" for the night. This of course confused Hubby to no end. I asked one of my friends who played in an industrial band about it and he said the same thing--that if a kid who was hooked on something hard (coke, ecstacy, speed) and got clean, they would claim drugfree or edge.

this helps alot. because i thought i was weird when i claim edge. because i occasionally smoke a cig. and i dont think anything of it. because i came off heroin and speed..
and have been clean for almost 2 years now

[D1988]

this helps alot. because i thought i was weird when i claim edge. because i occasionally smoke a cig. and i dont think anything of it. because i came off heroin and speed..
and have been clean for almost 2 years now

Wait, no, you are weird if you claim edge and smoke. How the hell does that even make sense to you? Even if you come off the hardest drug addiction, that still doesn't give you some special right to claim to be drug free when you are not.

I hope I am reading your post wrong, or you have typed it wrongly or something.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

this helps alot. because i thought i was weird when i claim edge. because i occasionally smoke a cig. and i dont think anything of it. because i came off heroin and speed..
and have been clean for almost 2 years now


I think its awesome you managed to conquer those addictions and get it out of your life, but i have to agree with chino here. Being drug free means ALL drug free, including cigarettes, if anything smoking is just as bad as any addiction as it pumps chemicals into your body. I agree its maybe not as bad as a heroin or a speed addiction but its still an unhealthy drug. If its an occasional smoke then there should be no probs quitting that after you kicked the harder drugs :)

[CarlaRant]

this helps alot. because i thought i was weird when i claim edge. because i occasionally smoke a cig. and i dont think anything of it. because i came off heroin and speed..
and have been clean for almost 2 years now

HUGE KUDOS to you for kicking heroin and speed--those are some of the worst drugs to get off of, but claiming edge wouldn't be appropriate in your case. Cigarettes are still a drug and to be straightedge means to be completely drug free. Keep working on it.

[chino]

I think its awesome you managed to conquer those addictions and get it out of your life, but i have to agree with chino here. Being drug free means ALL drug free, including cigarettes, if anything smoking is just as bad as any addiction as it pumps chemicals into your body. I agree its maybe not as bad as a heroin or a speed addiction but its still an unhealthy drug. If its an occasional smoke then there should be no probs quitting that after you kicked the harder drugs :)

i know i know i understand what everyone is saying here. but just to say edge in my head really helps me stay off the big things. the withdrawels and the thoughts, every rehab ive went to said 98 percent rate of people who have done meth stay on meth. that part makes me so terrified. i get racing thoughts. and somedays i just get instant paranoia, psychosis status. and its just part of the withdrawels of many years on drugs. but i haven't smoked or took sleeping pills for around 3 months. so im kicking those addictions too:)

i know it might sound pathetic.
but its true.
when i say edge in my head.
i think of all the people in here and others that are clean and are just high on life.
and thats what really helps me. it does. and sorry if it offends anyone. but it does. the 12 step just doesnt work for me. but this does.

and im not claiming it to other people.
im just telling you guys i tell myself..
a self motivation thing

[xsecx]

i know i know i understand what everyone is saying here. but just to say edge in my head really helps me stay off the big things. the withdrawels and the thoughts, every rehab ive went to said 98 percent rate of people who have done meth stay on meth. that part makes me so terrified. i get racing thoughts. and somedays i just get instant paranoia, psychosis status. and its just part of the withdrawels of many years on drugs. but i haven't smoked or took sleeping pills for around 3 months. so im kicking those addictions too:)

i know it might sound pathetic.
but its true.
when i say edge in my head.
i think of all the people in here and others that are clean and are just high on life.
and thats what really helps me. it does. and sorry if it offends anyone. but it does. the 12 step just doesnt work for me. but this does.

and im not claiming it to other people.
im just telling you guys i tell myself..
a self motivation thing

which is totally the right thing to do. most addicts just substitute a "safer" addiction for the other so that itch in their brain gets scratched. I'd definitely say keep doing what you're doing with total sobriety as the end goal.

[CarlaRant]

i know i know i understand what everyone is saying here. but just to say edge in my head really helps me stay off the big things. the withdrawels and the thoughts, every rehab ive went to said 98 percent rate of people who have done meth stay on meth. that part makes me so terrified. i get racing thoughts. and somedays i just get instant paranoia, psychosis status. and its just part of the withdrawels of many years on drugs. but i haven't smoked or took sleeping pills for around 3 months. so im kicking those addictions too:)

i know it might sound pathetic.
but its true.
when i say edge in my head.
i think of all the people in here and others that are clean and are just high on life.
and thats what really helps me. it does. and sorry if it offends anyone. but it does. the 12 step just doesnt work for me. but this does.

and im not claiming it to other people.
im just telling you guys i tell myself..
a self motivation thing

I get it now. Keep chipping away man.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

i know i know i understand what everyone is saying here. but just to say edge in my head really helps me stay off the big things. the withdrawels and the thoughts, every rehab ive went to said 98 percent rate of people who have done meth stay on meth. that part makes me so terrified. i get racing thoughts. and somedays i just get instant paranoia, psychosis status. and its just part of the withdrawels of many years on drugs. but i haven't smoked or took sleeping pills for around 3 months. so im kicking those addictions too:)

i know it might sound pathetic.
but its true.
when i say edge in my head.
i think of all the people in here and others that are clean and are just high on life.
and thats what really helps me. it does. and sorry if it offends anyone. but it does. the 12 step just doesnt work for me. but this does.

and im not claiming it to other people.
im just telling you guys i tell myself..
a self motivation thing

I think its amazing that you managed to kick the hard stuff, and whatever keeps you going and keeps you happy then do it. Yeah 98% pf people who do meth stay on meth but that still leaves 2% of people that dont :) youv come much further than alot of people go so my hat goes off too you.

[xWiglex]

They're still not edge..
You can have other bad habbits too.. Which don't poison you.

World Of Warcraft kills evryghting.. XD

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

They're still not edge..
You can have other bad habbits too.. Which don't poison you.

World Of Warcraft kills evryghting.. XD


yeah i know what you mean...my names smoggy and im a craftaholic!!

but yeah i think everyone has things which they struggle with, some have bigger vices and addictions they need to conquer and others smaller things. Its just having that wilpower to stop and stay stopped and live poison free

[jesusXwas]

Im just going to quote the bible real quick if you know what i mean.

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and fuck my head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white shit up my nose
Pass out at the shows
I don't even think about speed
That's something I just don't need

I've got the straight edge

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and smoke dope
'Cause I know I can cope
Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
Always gonna keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch

I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge

How in the hell is sitting in front of a computer screen all day playing world of war craft straight edge your a fucking addict, ive got better things to do than sit around and fuck my head, always gonna keep in touch, never want to use a crutch.
cigarettes, world of war craft, alcohol, heroin, marijuana, porn, caffeine, etc. these are all crutches these all fuck your head, true some are much more extreme than others but regardless its not straight edge. maybe you say straight edge in your head everyday when you walk by the apartment complex you used to buy smack from and thats the only thing that keeps you sober, well i say, fuck yeah dude. good for you, stay clean. but cigarettes aren't a substitute, nothing is a substitute. Your just using a different crutch.

Or is there something that i am missing?

[straightXed]

Im just going to quote the bible real quick if you know what i mean.

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and fuck my head
Hang out with the living dead
Snort white shit up my nose
Pass out at the shows
I don't even think about speed
That's something I just don't need

I've got the straight edge

I'm a person just like you
But I've got better things to do
Than sit around and smoke dope
'Cause I know I can cope
Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
Always gonna keep in touch
Never want to use a crutch

I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge
I've got the straight edge

How in the hell is sitting in front of a computer screen all day playing world of war craft straight edge your a fucking addict, ive got better things to do than sit around and fuck my head, always gonna keep in touch, never want to use a crutch.
cigarettes, world of war craft, alcohol, heroin, marijuana, porn, caffeine, etc. these are all crutches these all fuck your head, true some are much more extreme than others but regardless its not straight edge. maybe you say straight edge in your head everyday when you walk by the apartment complex you used to buy smack from and thats the only thing that keeps you sober, well i say, fuck yeah dude. good for you, stay clean. but cigarettes aren't a substitute, nothing is a substitute. Your just using a different crutch.

Or is there something that i am missing?


Yes there is something you are missing...its called context. The lyrics you put in bold aren't seperate from the rest of the songs subject matter...which is incidently just a song not a bible. They are lines that are written with regards to recreational drug use. Straightedge is an anti drugs stance not an anti video games stance. Video games don't fuck with your mind like drugs do, they are a hobbie and past time for most for others they become a passion and something thats a big and possibly positive part of their lives.

For me video games are a simple distraction like films, tv, books and even music...i think you will really struggle to fit a computer game in as something that edge is against but if you care to make a comprehensive case for that i'm sure we can highlight the reasons why its a bit of a daft idea.

[jesusXwas]

Yes there is something you are missing...its called context. The lyrics you put in bold aren't seperate from the rest of the songs subject matter...which is incidently just a song not a bible. They are lines that are written with regards to recreational drug use. Straightedge is an anti drugs stance not an anti video games stance. Video games don't fuck with your mind like drugs do, they are a hobbie and past time for most for others they become a passion and something thats a big and possibly positive part of their lives.

For me video games are a simple distraction like films, tv, books and even music...i think you will really struggle to fit a computer game in as something that edge is against but if you care to make a comprehensive case for that i'm sure we can highlight the reasons why its a bit of a daft idea.

Considering that the 'Straight Edge' lifestyle is based completely off the lyrics to Straight Edge by Minor Threat. Yes it very much so a Bible, or Quaran, it is the text in which created and governs a lifestyle/belief system.

I put those parts in bold to show that the song isn't specifically just talking about drugs.

...and for others video games become much more than a passion. im not talking just recreational use. there are 12 step programs for people who have lost there lives to world of warcraft. my brother and father are some of those people. Video games are very much a drug. They activate the same areas of the brain that a lot of drugs do, and they can very much make someone lose touch of the real world.

and if its ok to play these addictive games recreationaly and be straight edge than what about someone who drinks every once and a while or smokes pot occasionally.

your not fucking your head by using alcohol if you just do it every once and a while nor is it a crutch. so how is that any less straight edge than playing video games every once and a while. or every day.

and for you to say that sitting in front of a tv playing video games can be a possitive part of someones life thats just ridiculous. How can wasting time rotting your brain be positive. why not read a book or learn how to fly fish. or play an instrument?

[xsecx]

Considering that the 'Straight Edge' lifestyle is based completely off the lyrics to Straight Edge by Minor Threat. Yes it very much so a Bible, or Quaran, it is the text in which created and governs a lifestyle/belief system.


not really dude. the people involved do that. you're giving minor threat too much credit and completely ignoring the contributions made later. minor threat gave it a name, the people that came later turned into a lifestyle/movement.

[straightXed]

Considering that the 'Straight Edge' lifestyle is based completely off the lyrics to Straight Edge by Minor Threat. Yes it very much so a Bible, or Quaran, it is the text in which created and governs a lifestyle/belief system.

It really isn't, you are in danger of giving one song way to much credit and forgeting that hardcore is a community where ideas are shared via the music, one song does not govern it by any means.


I put those parts in bold to show that the song isn't specifically just talking about drugs.

But they are about drugs you are just taking them out of context, but even if they were pertaining to something else it still doesn't mean anything solid. Thats one guy writing a song, and sharing his perspective. The straightedge movement has a clear stance against drugs, thats accepted by all involved. When you start adding everyones personal bug bears then it loses meaning and won't be definitive of any particular action. Other guys in hardcore have sang about things they see as negative and its all good it makes people think about stuff. Some declare veganism and they personally bundle it in with straightedge but it doesn't make it so, some will simply sing about having to tidy their room. What makes straightedge, straightedge is the way the entire scene adopts it, no even if ian was talking about video games then the scene hasn't ran with that, you can go to any show and ask the straightedge hardcore kids if them being edge means they are against video games and you will recieve a resounding NO!


...and for others video games become much more than a passion. im not talking just recreational use. there are 12 step programs for people who have lost there lives to world of warcraft. my brother and father are some of those people. Video games are very much a drug. They activate the same areas of the brain that a lot of drugs do, and they can very much make someone lose touch of the real world.

They do 12 step programs for anything nowadays, and my personal opinion is its a really wanky way to deal with things anyway and essentially leaves you somewhat devoid of power and true understanding. But it would be interesting to see this farce, please provide some source info.

But alas, video games are not a drug, they do not have the chemical make up of a drug, they are not scientifically considered a drug. Now if you said drug like you might scrape that through but calling video games drugs is just nonsense. Lots of things activate the same areas of the brain drugs do, i do many things on a daily basis that activate areas of my brain that drugs can also activate...that is simply no reason to swear off it or consider it a drug.

And finally if the above isn't enough, you would become unstuck giving me a definitive line between using a video game recreationally and otherwise. Give it a go if you like.




and if its ok to play these addictive games recreationaly and be straight edge than what about someone who drinks every once and a while or smokes pot occasionally.

What about them, they would be using a drug recreationally. Recreational drug use is not straightedge. Video games arent drugs.


your not fucking your head by using alcohol if you just do it every once and a while nor is it a crutch. so how is that any less straight edge than playing video games every once and a while. or every day.

No, you are absoloutely right, you aren't fucking your head by drinking occasionally and way back in the begining straightedge mirrored that but this gets us back to exactly why that one song is not a bible or governing force. Over the years the scene changed and came to be outright against all recreational use, that has been adopted and stuck and thats where we are now. But i fail to see what you are trying to argue here, are you saying that if i have a game of fifa 09 once in a while or enjoy a blast on the wii then its somehow comparable to drinking a beer? Maybe in your mind but its really nothing to do with straightedge and i would hasten to add the two really are not comparable as one is a drug and one isn't.


and for you to say that sitting in front of a tv playing video games can be a possitive part of someones life thats just ridiculous. How can wasting time rotting your brain be positive. why not read a book or learn how to fly fish. or play an instrument?

Some guys make a living from playing video games, some people played on video games and enjoyed the medium so much it inspired them to get jobs in the field, programming, desingning, testing or even retail. For a lot it becomes something they enjoy and this makes it easier for them to learn about and become genuinely knowledgable about and they can utilise that if they choose to. For some its a more accesable form of escape, books don't do it for them, it can be relaxing and even create a social circle which is good. I fail to see how fly fishing is any more positive? You seem to have an issue in the way peoples passion manifests in video games which puzzles me, i know a lad who skates, he gets lost in that world sometime, he can't talk about anything else. Another lad i know is the same with guitars, spent months not seeing him, he would just sit in his room learning guitar, he's shit hot now. You could make an argument for cost and value of these things, like the cost (time put in) of spending your life engrossed in video games to the worth (actual return) is probably not the greatest ratio but thats not what you are arguing. If you are or decide to, i would suggest looking and the true worth of other distractions such movies, swimming, trainspotting, pets, regular roleplay games, reading books on fly fishing by J.R.Hartley.

[easy]

fuck! i had no idea i broke edge when i played zelda at my friends house! i have been living a lie!

[x JAMES x]

Chino, not to be an asshole but when you claim edge and smoke cigarettes it makes everybody on here look terrible for what we believe in.


Seriously dude.

[mouseman004]

Chino, not to be an asshole but when you claim edge and smoke cigarettes it makes everybody on here look terrible for what we believe in.


Seriously dude.

You support courage crew, and you are afraid of somebody making straight edgers look bad?

[Wicked Brown]

this helps alot. because i thought i was weird when i claim edge. because i occasionally smoke a cig. and i dont think anything of it. because i came off heroin and speed..
and have been clean for almost 2 years now

I also have a cig here and there. I don't like to smoke but it helps my throat when I sing.I am not, I repeat NOT addicted.

[Wicked Brown]

You support courage crew, and you are afraid of somebody making straight edgers look bad?

ooooooooooooooo, burn sizzle sizzle get the ointment!

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

I think if chino claiming edge to keep him focussed on staying away from other addictions and helping him focus on quitting the cigarettes then let it be. He doesnt tell everyone that he smokes the odd cigarette now and then so then it doesnt reflect on the scene as n one knows.

As for the rest of this discussion, I dont see how you can compare a computer games to drugs. Yeah i have spent hours playing them but that does not put me into a situation where i have little control of myself and hurt myself both physically and mentally. There is little of no comparasson to playing a game for fun and poisoning myself

[xsecx]

I also have a cig here and there. I don't like to smoke but it helps my throat when I sing.I am not, I repeat NOT addicted.

then I don't really see how you can claim you're drug free. I also don't understand how you used to be militant if you smoke?

[SgtD]

then I don't really see how you can claim you're drug free. I also don't understand how you used to be militant if you smoke?

seconded

[D1988]

then I don't really see how you can claim you're drug free. I also don't understand how you used to be militant if you smoke?

Thirded.

My brain is about to explode, kid claims edge and smokes, what the fuck is going on these days.

[straightXed]

Thirded.

My brain is about to explode, kid claims edge and smokes, what the fuck is going on these days.



Not entirely a new thing unfortunately. I recall when i first started posting at straightedge sites there seemed to be a few instances where people thought it was ok to smoke cigars and be edge because they didn't inhale...it just makes you wonder really doesn't it?!

[rodrigo]

then I don't really see how you can claim you're drug free. I also don't understand how you used to be militant if you smoke?

fourth-ed?

plus, since i am a music teacher i have to say, there is no way smoking helps or does good when you sing. its a fact.

[straightXed]

fourth-ed?

plus, since i am a music teacher i have to say, there is no way smoking helps or does good when you sing. its a fact.

Oh and fifthed!

[rodrigo]

Oh and fifthed!

i thought you were straightx-ed!

[straightXed]

i thought you were straightx-ed!


moonlighting.

[mouseman004]

I think if chino claiming edge to keep him focussed on staying away from other addictions and helping him focus on quitting the cigarettes then let it be. He doesnt tell everyone that he smokes the odd cigarette now and then so then it doesnt reflect on the scene as n one knows.

I agree, if it helps him kick that deadly habit then let it be.

Although i realise that might not hold a lot of weight, me not being edge and all.

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

I agree, if it helps him kick that deadly habit then let it be.

Although i realise that might not hold a lot of weight, me not being edge and all.


no i dont think so, but i could be wrong lol

I think using the lesser addiction to help with the big ones then gradually quit the lesser would be helpfull if i works :)

[xsilentskiesx]

Maybe it just me, but I belive strongly in, "if you're not now, you never were"... also "Edge till 21" isn't true edge... Straightedge is a lifestyle, not something you just "are" for the week... and I think it's great that people get off those hard drugs as well, but smoking cig's is just as bad, in a different(But not too different) way... plus, i'm pretty sure nicotine is still a drug, and to be Edge you must be DRUG free...

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

yeah i agree with that, people shouldnt claim sXe if there not, im just saying if it helps to quit one thing then tackle that one after could be good if it helps.

I was saying that chino doesnt reflect on the rest of us cause no one else knows he smoked now and then (does that make sense)

'Edge till 21' does that happen alot?

[straightXed]

Maybe it just me, but I belive strongly in, "if you're not now, you never were"... also "Edge till 21" isn't true edge... Straightedge is a lifestyle, not something you just "are" for the week... and I think it's great that people get off those hard drugs as well, but smoking cig's is just as bad, in a different(But not too different) way... plus, i'm pretty sure nicotine is still a drug, and to be Edge you must be DRUG free...

That whole not now you never were idea is just bullshit.

[mouseman004]

That whole not now you never were idea is just bullshit.

Completely agree

[SgtD]

virgin. if you're not now, you never were!

[straightXed]

virgin. if you're not now, you never were!


What if i am not now but will be later does that still mean i never was?

[SgtD]

What if i am not now but will be later does that still mean i never was?

yes, because you can't be one anymore!

[straightXed]

yes, because you can't be one anymore!

well that sucks!

[SgtD]

well that sucks!

It was your decision! You're to blame.

[straightXed]

It was your decision! You're to blame.

Don't blame me for the fact late applicants aren't welcome.

[SgtD]

Don't blame me for the fact late applicants aren't welcome.

you can't un-do the virginbreak man! you just can't

[x.Xmiss_SmogX.x]

you can't un-do the virginbreak man! You just can't

lol!!

[straightXed]

you can't un-do the virginbreak man! you just can't

But thats the point, i haven't done it yet, i was just planning ahead. But if i never was then surely i can never break in the future? Caveat lector - i am actually not even sure what this is all about.

[SgtD]

But thats the point, i haven't done it yet, i was just planning ahead. But if i never was then surely i can never break in the future? Caveat lector - i am actually not even sure what this is all about.

well, all i can repeatedly say is

if you're not now, you never were!

that's said, you virginity-poser!

[straightXed]

well, all i can repeatedly say is

if you're not now, you never were!

that's said, you virginity-poser!

Ok, so if i was when you posted that but am not now, does that mean i still am? Because i was when you said now which was then. So i still am even though i'm not?

[SgtD]

Ok, so if i was when you posted that but am not now, does that mean i still am? Because i was when you said now which was then. So i still am even though i'm not?

no, it doesn't. now is now, and when you will read this, it's gonna be the now for you then! but you are not now, and you were not before that when you read this, which was then you actually were. or were not, because if you're not now you never were!!!

you sold out.

[straightXed]

no, it doesn't. now is now, and when you will read this, it's gonna be the now for you then! but you are not now, and you were not before that when you read this, which was then you actually were. or were not, because if you're not now you never were!!!

you sold out.


but i am now, i just wasn't then, then as in when you first posted it. But i am now. The reason i wasn't in the "now" before is because my edge was in the wash!

[SgtD]

but i am now, i just wasn't then, then as in when you first posted it. But i am now. The reason i wasn't in the "now" before is because my edge was in the wash!

then i think you're perfectly fine! if you're not then, you never were.

[straightXed]

then i think you're perfectly fine! if you're not then, you never were.

Stop it!

[xWiglex]

I also have a cig here and there. I don't like to smoke but it helps my throat when I sing.I am not, I repeat NOT addicted.

Combo x WTF!?

[SgtD]

Stop it!

:)