i suck and i forgot dusty's birthday

[rodrigo]

hope you had a great birthday and ate lots of cake and stuffs

as an apology and (i guess) a birthday present, i'm going to do something he has been asking for a while now.

so here starts the donkey milk challenge.

basically, i'm gonna have to go and find donkey milk and video myself drinking it.

[indestructible]

Challenges including animal produce suck a lot more.

[straightXed]

hope you had a great birthday and ate lots of cake and stuffs

as an apology and (i guess) a birthday present, i'm going to do something he has been asking for a while now.

so here starts the donkey milk challenge.

basically, i'm gonna have to go and find donkey milk and video myself drinking it.

Have at it donkey dude!!!

And what an awesome present! Happy birthday Dusty!

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Challenges including animal produce suck a lot more.

please keep in mind that this isn't a vegan or an AR site.

[indestructible]

please keep in mind that this isn't a vegan or an AR site.

and that each person is simply expressing their personal opinion!

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and that each person is simply expressing their personal opinion!

which is fine, but I'm just saying, because it's not, I'd try and keep the rhetoric low when it's not a subject specifically about being vegan or AR.

[indestructible]

Key words in subject at a quick glance being suck, forget, birthday and (I guess...:) you! - there are so many possibilities! Still I only scored one point for 'suck' - that is lame, I now realize - others did better obviously!

[Lifestyle_X]

Yeah dude, happy belated birthday!! How did you celebrate it?

[easy]

Yeah dude, happy belated birthday!! How did you celebrate it?

i am assuming by drinking donkey milk! =P

happy birthday dusty!

[CarlaRant]

Happy Birthday!!!

[xVeganAnarchistx]

which is fine, but I'm just saying, because it's not, I'd try and keep the rhetoric low when it's not a subject specifically about being vegan or AR.

How is taking an animals milk not about veganism or AR? Just ignore the comment and nothing would have developed. She made what seemed to me to be nothing more than an off the cuff joke or statement.

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How is taking an animals milk not about veganism or AR? Just ignore the comment and nothing would have developed. She made what seemed to me to be nothing more than an off the cuff joke or statement.

because she attempted to make it about AR and veganism, which is her right to do, but should also keep in mind while doing it that this isn't a vegan site and most people aren't vegan.

[xVeganAnarchistx]

because she attempted to make it about AR and veganism

My god dusty, you are the densest. It was a off the cuff comment. Get fucking over it. It meant nothing. No body was trying to make the convo about AR. Its a joke. Jesus Christ.

ps. Happy later birthday.

[Lifestyle_X]

Arkansas?

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My god dusty, you are the densest. It was a off the cuff comment. Get fucking over it. It meant nothing. No body was trying to make the convo about AR. Its a joke. Jesus Christ.

ps. Happy later birthday.

I don't really see where I'm not over it? Just point out to vegans that not everything is about them or their world view, or that they need to bring it up, isn't really that big a deal? You're way more worked up about it than I ever was.

[rodrigo]

Arkansas?

pssst, animal rights

[indestructible]

because she attempted to make it about AR and veganism, which is her right to do, but should also keep in mind while doing it that this isn't a vegan site and most people aren't vegan.

I didn't attempt it as much as you made it happen!



xVeganAnarchistx

"How is taking an animals milk not about veganism or AR?"

! ! ! Spot on ! ! !


But hey, we are all getting older, no use being stingy.

And remember - whatever world wiev you are subscribing to,
everyone´s upcoming birthday is close to always
less than a year away !

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I didn't attempt it as much as you made it happen!

how so? you decided to bring AR into a topic that it wasn't about. If you wanted to make one about it, go for it, there's a place for it here, but all you're doing is creating tension for no reason.

[indestructible]

how so? you decided to bring AR into a topic that it wasn't about.

It was pretty much inherent in the first post of this subject, which we can now simply accept to disagree on without digging into it any further.


If you wanted to make one about it, go for it, there's a place for it here,

I actually did not know that. Makes me wonder if there are any other special places for other particular opinions as well.


but all you're doing is creating tension for no reason.

Not being tense myself, I am now frankly sorry for your inconvenience.

Tension for no reason is for sure as non-constructive as can be!
I thought we were just talking.

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I actually did not know that. Makes me wonder if there are any other special places for other particular opinions as well.

Do you often have inject irrelevant points in conversation? Do you walk up to strangers eating ice cream and tell them how it sucks? It's not the opinion that's the issue, it's the context of the conversation.

[indestructible]

Do you often have inject irrelevant points in conversation? Do you walk up to strangers eating ice cream and tell them how it sucks? It's not the opinion that's the issue, it's the context of the conversation.

Context (place) being the issue, consequently generates questions such as which conversations (opinions etc) that belong where, and according to whom.

In general, if not for intended comical effect, the person who is making the point rarely wiev it as irrelevant.

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Context (place) being the issue, consequently generates questions such as which conversations (opinions etc) that belong where, and according to whom.

In general, if not for intended comical effect, the person who is making the point rarely wiev it as irrelevant.

But I just asked you questions to talk about appropriate vs inappropriate context, but you ignored them. You obviously don't want to have a constructive conversation about it, so I'm not sure what you're saying at this point, but as in other posts here, you just come off as disingenuous and sarcastic.

[indestructible]

But I just asked you questions to talk about appropriate vs inappropriate context, but you ignored them. You obviously don't want to have a constructive conversation about it, so I'm not sure what you're saying at this point, but as in other posts here, you just come off as disingenuous and sarcastic.

Constructive conversation is always welcome.


Do you often have inject irrelevant points in conversation? Do you walk up to strangers eating ice cream and tell them how it sucks?

If what you are getting at here is whether we are enticed to act differently when responding to posts in a forum than we are when communicating face to face - if developed constructively, that might be a worthwhile conversation.

(disingenuous meaning dishonest?)
Knowing myself to be an honest person, I can merely regret if for now coming off as the opposite, and hopefully time will show.

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Constructive conversation is always welcome.



If what you are getting at here is whether we are enticed to act differently when responding to posts in a forum than we are when communicating face to face - if developed constructively, that might be a worthwhile conversation.

(disingenuous meaning dishonest?)
Knowing myself to be an honest person, I can merely regret if for now coming off as the opposite, and hopefully time will show.

No, I'm asking if you do the same thing in person that you did here. If so, how does that work out for you? Does it often to turn into any kind of worthwhile conversation, because this clearly didn't. Nor does it seem that you actually care for it to, since you've not made any attempt to actually have a conversation.

Disingenuous meaning not sincere.

[indestructible]

No, I'm asking if you do the same thing in person that you did here. If so, how does that work out for you?

Sure, rodrigo in person next to me in the street announcing he's-gonna-have-to-go-and-find-donkey-milk-and-video-himself-drinking-it, would probably get the same comment - and I expect him having the means to respond, like for instance in a super-serious and/or humorous manner; so many possibilites when people ar involved, usually working out just fine!


Does it often to turn into any kind of worthwhile conversation, because this clearly didn't. Nor does it seem that you actually care for it to, since you've not made any attempt to actually have a conversation.

Disingenuous meaning not sincere.

It usually does, though this time I agree with you it clearly didn't.

Sincerely, now we'd better leave it at that.

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Sure, rodrigo in person next to me in the street announcing he's-gonna-have-to-go-and-find-donkey-milk-and-video-himself-drinking-it, would probably get the same comment - and I expect him having the means to respond, like for instance in a super-serious and/or humorous manner; so many possibilites when people ar involved, usually working out just fine!


You often turn to strangers in the street and comment on what they just said to someone else, telling them that it sucks? Do you go up to people in supermarkets that buy milk and tell them that they suck?

[indestructible]

You often turn to strangers in the street and comment on what they just said to someone else, telling them that it sucks? Do you go up to people in supermarkets that buy milk and tell them that they suck?

Alas, you persist.

For some reason you are making examples with strangers in the street and private conversation, while the context here being members on a forum and public posts. (Besides, I just don't use the word 'suck' for describing an entire person.)

Why, there really seems to be a mix-up between private messages and public threads on this forum !

[rodrigo]

Alas, you persist.

For some reason you are making examples with strangers in the street and private conversation, while the context here being members on a forum and public posts. (Besides, I just don't use the word 'suck' for describing an entire person.)

Why, there really seems to be a mix-up between private messages and public threads on this forum !

i think the issue is closer to context. if i were to go on the vegan/veggie resources on the message board on threads where vegan o vegetarian issues are discussed with the same sort of attitude as you displayed here (like saying -something vegetarian or vegan suck a lot more-), it wouldnt be considered in topic for the argument and most likely i'd be considered a troll.

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Alas, you persist.

For some reason you are making examples with strangers in the street and private conversation, while the context here being members on a forum and public posts. (Besides, I just don't use the word 'suck' for describing an entire person.)

Why, there really seems to be a mix-up between private messages and public threads on this forum !

And yet, you feel the need to respond.

Because they're relevant to what's being discussed here. The reason I'm making these examples are because it's completely the same thing. Conversations taking place in public space. You've never overheard a conversation and joined in? I guess not given your responses, you must only have conversation in private with people you already know.

I don't see how this is any different than hearing to people in the street having a conversation, you going over to them and telling them that ice cream sucks. That's not a private conversation, neither is this. You just apparently don't have the ability to apply the same manners on a forum as you do in person, which is a shame, but I can now understand why you can only talk to people you already know.

[indestructible]

i think the issue is closer to context. if i were to go on the vegan/veggie resources on the message board on threads where vegan o vegetarian issues are discussed with the same sort of attitude as you displayed here (like saying -something vegetarian or vegan suck a lot more-), it wouldnt be considered in topic for the argument and most likely i'd be considered a troll.


Just because someone has an other opinion, it doesn't mean it's out of topic - it simply means that they do not agree with you.

I can nothing but pity if this is the atmosphere prevailing on this forum.

[rodrigo]

Just because someone has an other opinion, it doesn't mean it's out of topic - it simply means that they do not agree with you.

I can nothing but pity if this is the atmosphere prevailing on this forum.

are you for real?

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Just because someone has an other opinion, it doesn't mean it's out of topic - it simply means that they do not agree with you.

I can nothing but pity if this is the atmosphere prevailing on this forum.

do you even understand the conversation that people have been having with you?

[straightXed]

Just because someone has an other opinion, it doesn't mean it's out of topic - it simply means that they do not agree with you.

I can nothing but pity if this is the atmosphere prevailing on this forum.

If there is any atmosphere being created then i would say you are largely contributing to it. I think the initial message that started this was polite and well put but you seem to have completely taken exception to it.

Personally when i first read your comment what ran through my head was how i could put forward an opinion that, like yours, would be somewhat argumentative. I had this thought because your post came across as antagonistic and out of place. I could have put forward the issues i have with people who bang on about animal rights in the most inappropriate places and an argument would have ensued.

I chose not to respond to your comment and thought to myself that person isn't going to come off very well with quick thoughtless comments like that where you really hadn't taken the nature of the conversation or how your comments would be received into consideration. And so i said nothing but thought to myself the impression you gave wasn't great.

Then upon receiving a polite and courteous reminder that the site is not an AR website instead of acknowledging this little reminder as nothing more than friendly advice that might help you fit in and not antagonise people, you chose to resent this it seems and since then really haven't had much of a grasp on why what was said has been said. So perhaps its simply that you are rude or really are unable to understand why your comment was not really doing you any favours.

But to address what you have just said, you clearly did go off topic, no one was talking about the ethics of animal produce, you instigated that and it was out of place. Its not that these things cannot be discussed but if you are going touch upon such topics that can get quite heated then make a thread in the appropriate area. Its much better than making flippant remarks that don't really have any relevance to the purpose of the thread...which was to celebrate someones birthday. I know that you think your remark was perfectly fine but it really was just out of place and people have explained this very clearly. I think you need to consider the reaction you have gotten before writing this off as being down to everyone else, i mean you are free to say what you like but people have tried to explain in a friendly way how it isn't very endearing and won't do much but antagonise people.

I also think criticising the atmosphere here assumes no responsibility for what you have posted, i don't think anyone is in need of your pity especially when all people have done is tried to illustrate how your post makes you come off in a less favourable way. I would say that is a supportive atmosphere but you are just resentful of that support, which is fine but lets be honest with exactly what is happening and not make out that its something that its not.