Life on the Sun

[xvunderx]

It's bloody hot today (at least it is here) so of course today is the 1 day that has to be spent lugging heavy bolts of fabric around the house. Looks like I'll actually be turning to iced tea over regular hot tea today.

How are you guys doing with it all?

[rodrigo]

It's bloody hot today (at least it is here) so of course today is the 1 day that has to be spent lugging heavy bolts of fabric around the house. Looks like I'll actually be turning to iced tea over regular hot tea today.

How are you guys doing with it all?

i'm good and awesome

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i'm good and awesomewhatever it's winter time for you.

[mouseman004]

It's bloody hot today (at least it is here) so of course today is the 1 day that has to be spent lugging heavy bolts of fabric around the house. Looks like I'll actually be turning to iced tea over regular hot tea today.

How are you guys doing with it all?

It is days like today I am glad I work in an air conditioned office. Although I have to wear a shirt and tie to work every day, and I have tattoos all over my arms so I have to wear long sleeves and I can't roll them up, which is unfortunate when it is 33 degrees.

[Lifestyle_X]

it's hot and rainy/humid here, what irritates me. also, the dreadlocks don't do any good.

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it's hot and rainy/humid here, what irritates me. also, the dreadlocks don't do any good.
get a haircut, hippie.

[Lifestyle_X]

I kinda was waiting for that one to come!

[xCrucialDudex]

Yeah, I could see that coming as well. I guess it gets very predictable with passing years.

Anyway, Viv to answer your question, I can endure heat quite well, it doesn't bother me all that much. Cold seems to have capability to hit me way more harder than heat. So, I spend most of the days in an office with air conditioning, and I have to actually wear a sweatshirt to avoid freezing to death (no joking).

Air conditioning is shit, though. We need to start building homes and offices with principles that harness physics and learn to cool our rooms in a somewhat more natural way: thermal mass + convection = it's where it's at.

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Yeah, I could see that coming as well. I guess it gets very predictable with passing years.

Anyway, Viv to answer your question, I can endure heat quite well, it doesn't bother me all that much. Cold seems to have capability to hit me way more harder than heat. So, I spend most of the days in an office with air conditioning, and I have to actually wear a sweatshirt to avoid freezing to death (no joking).

Air conditioning is shit, though. We need to start building homes and offices with principles that harness physics and learn to cool our rooms in a somewhat more natural way: thermal mass + convection = it's where it's at.

says the dude that lives in the ukraine where it doesn't really get hot.

[xCrucialDudex]

says the dude that lives in the ukraine where it doesn't really get hot.

Says the dude that lives in US and never been to Ukraine

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Says the dude that lives in US and never been to Ukraine

climate data's available though, so I don't get your point?

[xCrucialDudex]

climate data's available though, so I don't get your point?

+35C/+40C is hot by any definition, so I don't really get your point?

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+35C/+40C is hot by any definition, so I don't really get your point?
your statement about how you can handle heat well is laughable because you live in a place that doesn't get and stay hot so you kinda can't say that.

[xCrucialDudex]

your statement about how you can handle heat well is laughable because you live in a place that doesn't get and stay hot so you kinda can't say that.

What is really laughable is your definition of "a place that doesn't get and stay hot" which, if translated to comparison of raw climate data between my city and Washington, D.C. means roughly +3C/+4C degrees difference for summer months.

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What is really laughable is your definition of "a place that doesn't get and stay hot" which, if translated to comparison of raw climate data between my city and Washington, D.C. means roughly +3C/+4C degrees difference for summer months.

31 celsius (88.5 f) is the average high in july. most days are in the 90s for the last few years. the difference between 31 and 35 c is a shitload, just like the difference between 31 and 27 is. one is comfortable, one is hot. Sorry you live in a place that's nicer than where I live in the summer?

[xCrucialDudex]

31 celsius (88.5 f) is the average high in july. most days are in the 90s for the last few years. the difference between 31 and 35 c is a shitload, just like the difference between 31 and 27 is. one is comfortable, one is hot. Sorry you live in a place that's nicer than where I live in the summer?

When it's in the 30s it's not the matter of comfortable and hot, it's the matter of hot and hotter. And at that, hotter by 3-4 degrees doesn't make such a dramatic difference as you try to make it sound to be. You're welcome to come over in July and experience the "comfortable, warm weather" yourself.

Besides, I know at least 3 guys that are from where I live and that had spent a number of summers in VA, over the course of 3-4 years, living only half an hour drive (30km) away from Washington, D.C., frequenting it regularly, and they all confirm the climate is essentially the same in that area.

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When it's in the 30s it's not the matter of comfortable and hot, it's the matter of hot and hotter. And at that, hotter by 3-4 degrees doesn't make such a dramatic difference as you try to make it sound to be. You're welcome to come over in July and experience the "comfortable, warm weather" yourself.

Besides, I know at least 3 guys that are from where I live and that had spent a number of summers in VA, over the course of 3-4 years, living only half an hour drive (30km) away from Washington, D.C., frequenting it regularly, and they all confirm the climate is essentially the same in that area.

What are you even arguing? You've stated that where you live is cooler than here, and significantly so. You don't live in a hot place. I don't really live in a hot place, just a place hotter than where you do.

[xCrucialDudex]

What are you even arguing? You've stated that where you live is cooler than here, and significantly so. You don't live in a hot place. I don't really live in a hot place, just a place hotter than where you do.

Don't be ridiculous

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Don't be ridiculous

yeah, because I'm the one looking ridiculous here.

[straightXed]

Just wanted to add that i think just a few degrees makes a huge difference. I was training for a run recently and was totally comfortable with things and the last of my training runs were around the 18-19 degree mark, when i came to do the actual run it was 23 and the difference destroyed me, it was the hardest run i had ever done as a result.

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so yesterday was 104. (40c) and we had a bunch of thunderstorms that were really bad. today was cooler even though it wasn't supposed to be. tomorrow's supposed to be hot. it's not even july yet.

[mouseman004]

so yesterday was 104. (40c) and we had a bunch of thunderstorms that were really bad. today was cooler even though it wasn't supposed to be. tomorrow's supposed to be hot. it's not even july yet.

It's been the same way here (except we had the thunderstorms earlier in the week). It has been 32 or 33c (42 with the humidex) and its supposed to be that way most of next week as well.

[xCrucialDudex]

Just wanted to add that i think just a few degrees makes a huge difference. I was training for a run recently and was totally comfortable with things and the last of my training runs were around the 18-19 degree mark, when i came to do the actual run it was 23 and the difference destroyed me, it was the hardest run i had ever done as a result.

I don't feel about it that way. I agree you could tell it's hotter when it's 3-4 degrees hotter, but significantly? No.

[xCrucialDudex]

so yesterday was 104. (40c) and we had a bunch of thunderstorms that were really bad. today was cooler even though it wasn't supposed to be. tomorrow's supposed to be hot. it's not even july yet.

35 in shadows, 40+ in direct sunlight today in a neighboring town (where I woke up and took a look at thermometer at roughly 10AM)

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35 in shadows, 40+ in direct sunlight today in a neighboring town (where I woke up and took a look at thermometer at roughly 10AM)

what town is that?

[xCrucialDudex]

what town is that?

Saki, roughly 50km away from Simferopol where I currently live.

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Saki, roughly 50km away from Simferopol where I currently live.
The actual weather data of Simferopol and Saki both contradict you.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/saki/322328/june-weather/322328?monyr=6/1/2012
http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/simferopol/322464/month/322464?monyr=6/01/2012

VS
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/washington-dc/20006/june-weather/327659

now please stop making shit up, you haven't had a single day above 35.

[xCrucialDudex]

The actual weather data of Simferopol and Saki both contradict you.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/saki/322328/june-weather/322328?monyr=6/1/2012
http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/simferopol/322464/month/322464?monyr=6/01/2012

VS
http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/washington-dc/20006/june-weather/327659

now please stop making shit up, you haven't had a single day above 35.

Oh, yeah, I was almost certain you'd do this. Guess what, the forecast is totally fucked up. I don't know why but that's the reality -- none of the online services provide accurate data. Of course, seeing your attitude you won't be inclined to just take my word for it, so I don't know, maybe I'll snap a couple pictures for you.

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Oh, yeah, I was almost certain you'd do this. Guess what, the forecast is totally fucked up. I don't know why but that's the reality -- none of the online services provide accurate data. Of course, seeing your attitude you won't be inclined to just take my word for it, so I don't know, maybe I'll snap a couple pictures for you.

Those aren't forecasts, those are recorded historical temperatures. Now, what's more likely, you making shit up or a global conspiracy against you? Just so you know, temperatures aren't taken in the sun anywhere, they're always taken in the shade since they're measuring air temperature.

[straightXed]

I don't feel about it that way. I agree you could tell it's hotter when it's 3-4 degrees hotter, but significantly? No.

Well the effects were significant, and this was the consensus of the marathon on a whole as well as many individuals. The sudden spike in temperature was significant enough to effect many runners and to significant enough to make mention of it in emails and news letters following the event, saying the run was significantly harder than previous years as a result of the increased heat. People tend to choose this particular marathon as its usually cool and takes place where temperatures do stay lower. The outcome to me certainly seems significant.

[straightXed]

I don't feel about it that way. I agree you could tell it's hotter when it's 3-4 degrees hotter, but significantly? No.

Incidently the forecast for the day this marathon took place was 28-29 degrees, quite a jump from the actual 23 degrees

[xCrucialDudex]

Those aren't forecasts, those are recorded historical temperatures. Now, what's more likely, you making shit up or a global conspiracy against you? Just so you know, temperatures aren't taken in the sun anywhere, they're always taken in the shade since they're measuring air temperature.

Well, I know that, that's why I first mentioned temperature in the shadow and then in direct sunlight (because I walk 10km a day across the town in direct sunlight, which amounts to 40c+ sometimes or something close to 40c -- which might give you an idea about why I think I can cope with heat better than cold). And I'm not saying there's a conspiracy or something, all I'm saying is that the temperatures I, my relatives and my friends are actually seeing on their thermometers is often times higher than anything you can see on the Internet.

For one, my mom recalled that in the beginning of June she happened to have a thermometer with her at the beach. She wanted to measure sea water temperature, and she reported air temperature to be as high as 36c on that day, yes, in the shadow of a beach umbrella. At that time we had have a streak of hot days spanning roughly 2-3 weeks. As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty hot, and the best is that not even accuweather confirms that.

Obviously, I can't prove it, there's no factual evidence of any kind. You don't trust my words? End of discussion.

[xCrucialDudex]

Well the effects were significant, and this was the consensus of the marathon on a whole as well as many individuals. The sudden spike in temperature was significant enough to effect many runners and to significant enough to make mention of it in emails and news letters following the event, saying the run was significantly harder than previous years as a result of the increased heat. People tend to choose this particular marathon as its usually cool and takes place where temperatures do stay lower. The outcome to me certainly seems significant.

Well, I've made my point earlier and I have really nothing else to add.

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Well, I know that, that's why I first mentioned temperature in the shadow and then in direct sunlight (because I walk 10km a day across the town in direct sunlight, which amounts to 40c+ sometimes or something close to 40c -- which might give you an idea about why I think I can cope with heat better than cold). And I'm not saying there's a conspiracy or something, all I'm saying is that the temperatures I, my relatives and my friends are actually seeing on their thermometers is often times higher than anything you can see on the Internet.

For one, my mom recalled that in the beginning of June she happened to have a thermometer with her at the beach. She wanted to measure sea water temperature, and she reported air temperature to be as high as 36c on that day, yes, in the shadow of a beach umbrella. At that time we had have a streak of hot days spanning roughly 2-3 weeks. As far as I'm concerned, that's pretty hot, and the best is that not even accuweather confirms that.

Obviously, I can't prove it, there's no factual evidence of any kind. You don't trust my words? End of discussion.

but there's nothing you can actually point to, to support your statements. what can be pointed to is the fact that you live a in place that's quite a bit cooler than where I live. When it actually hits 40, let me know how well you cope with it.

[straightXed]

Well, I've made my point earlier and I have really nothing else to add.

Yes i know, you think the clear significancies i mentioned are not significant. I am fine with with adding the information for others to observe and process even if it has no bearing on your thought process. As mentioned many people do find it significant so its plausable that many reading this would too follow that line of thinking. Theres no need for you to say you have nothing to add...not adding anything would signify that.

[xCrucialDudex]

Yes i know, you think the clear significancies i mentioned are not significant. I am fine with with adding the information for others to observe and process even if it has no bearing on your thought process. As mentioned many people do find it significant so its plausable that many reading this would too follow that line of thinking. Theres no need for you to say you have nothing to add...not adding anything would signify that.

Being explicit helps

[straightXed]

Being explicit helps
It's a shame you have nothing to add as it would have been nice to see you give explicit reasoning why the significant ramifications of a small temperature increase are absolutely not significant.

But it does make a change for you wanting to be helpful, so thank you for explicitly letting me know you have nothing to add.

[xCrucialDudex]

So, I've made a couple of pictures to compare against AccuWeather data.

AccuWeather
http://i.imgur.com/wu9kD.png

Yesterday
http://i.imgur.com/YNORZ.jpg

Today
http://i.imgur.com/z2tHS.jpg

Bottom line is AccuWeather data isn't accurate. Evidently, the gap in records can be even wider as we saw it locally here in May.

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So, I've made a couple of pictures to compare against AccuWeather data.

AccuWeather

Yesterday

Today

Bottom line is AccuWeather data isn't accurate. Evidently, the gap in records can be even wider as we saw it locally here in May.

so basically your assertion is that digital equipment readings are inaccurate but manual non calibrated readings are?

[xCrucialDudex]

so basically your assertion is that digital equipment readings are inaccurate but manual non calibrated readings are?

No, what I'm actually saying is that the data doesn't add up. I've no idea how AccuWeather make their measurements, and when I look at my simple measurement device aka thermometer I observe discrepancies.

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No, what I'm actually saying is that the data doesn't add up. I've no idea how AccuWeather make their measurements, and when I look at my simple measurement device aka thermometer I observe discrepancies.
most likely through digital weather stations placed around the city. Which is why they're probably more reliable than your non calibrated analog one.

[straightXed]

No, what I'm actually saying is that the data doesn't add up. I've no idea how AccuWeather make their measurements, and when I look at my simple measurement device aka thermometer I observe discrepancies.

what you could do is take your thermometer to the local weather station and adjust it so it reads the same, refix the thermometer to the scale so it is now in sync with the weather station and then see how well it keeps up with it, it could be interesting to see just how much accuracy it can keep compared to apparatus that is continually serviced and tested. Or maybe its just me that would find that interesting.

[xCrucialDudex]

And why do you think it's maladjusted?

[xCrucialDudex]

most likely through digital weather stations placed around the city. Which is why they're probably more reliable than your non calibrated analog one.

So, where does AccuWeather get their data from for Simferopol'?

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So, where does AccuWeather get their data from for Simferopol'? You should email them and ask.

[xCrucialDudex]

You should email them and ask.

Oh, I see, good thinking!

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Oh, I see, good thinking!

you should also challenge them to a duel while you're at it. make sure you let us know how it turns out.

[straightXed]

And why do you think it's maladjusted?

Well you have observed discrepencies, in order to be sure the discrepencies are with the actual temperature and not the aparatus it would be good to entertain this posibility as its something you could then confirm or rule out with a simple process. Its also very easy for the type of thermometer in your pictures to be erronous so its definitely a good place to start...its not that i think it is maladjusted, its that i would look to be sure it isn't.

Good luck with the duel.

[xCrucialDudex]

Okay, okay just don't get too overwhelmed there with your smartass comebacks.

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Okay, okay just don't get too overwhelmed there with your smartass comebacks.

Would you prefer if the duel were not mentioned? Perhaps I should just say good luck with the temperature issue instead? Or does that bother you too? How about just good luck? I mean what's going to be ok for you to read without worrying that people are getting overwhelmed?

[xCrucialDudex]

Would you prefer if the duel were not mentioned? Perhaps I should just say good luck with the temperature issue instead? Or does that bother you too? How about just good luck? I mean what's going to be ok for you to read without worrying that people are getting overwhelmed?

Worrying about someone on the Internet is just not on my mind.

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Worrying about someone on the Internet is just not on my mind.
of course not, it'll take away on your mission to take down the Accuweather cartel once and for all.

[straightXed]

Worrying about someone on the Internet is just not on my mind.

you do realise i don't just exist on the internet right? I am a real person!

[xCrucialDudex]

you do realise i don't just exist on the internet right? I am a real person!

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure you are.

[xCrucialDudex]

of course not, it'll take away on your mission to take down the Accuweather cartel once and for all.

what? another funny joke of yours?

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what? another funny joke of yours?
Do you mean that you're not going to challenge them to a duel? They must pay for giving the world the wrong temperature. If you won't stand up for this injustice, who will?

[xCrucialDudex]

Do you mean that you're not going to challenge them to a duel? They must pay for giving the world the wrong temperature. If you won't stand up for this injustice, who will?

How old are you again?

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How old are you again? old enough to know that it's fun fucking with you and to recognize that you apparently feel like you have to have the last word.

[xCrucialDudex]

old enough to know that it's fun fucking with you and to recognize that you apparently feel like you have to have the last word.

Damn, that was profound dude.

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Don't worry, I'm pretty sure you are.

Well that's good, for a moment it sounded like you had the mindset of someone who considers the Internet and people on it as inconsequential and non existant beyond the Internet.

[xCrucialDudex]

Well that's good, for a moment it sounded like you had the mindset of someone who considers the Internet and people on it as inconsequential and non existant beyond the Internet.

:)

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Damn, that was profound dude. and also true. Like do you get twitchy knowing that you have to reply, because someone else might have gotten the last word? Or do you end up in the fetal position waiting? So how's your blood feud against Accuweather going? Have you chosen the weapons for the duel yet?

[xCrucialDudex]

and also true. Like do you get twitchy knowing that you have to reply, because someone else might have gotten the last word? Or do you end up in the fetal position waiting? So how's your blood feud against Accuweather going? Have you chosen the weapons for the duel yet?

I'm sorry, you said 13?

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I'm sorry, you said 13?
so when are you going to bust out, I know you are but what am I? I just think it's sad that you've given up already and just posting for the sake of it.

[xCrucialDudex]

so when are you going to bust out, I know you are but what am I? I just think it's sad that you've given up already and just posting for the sake of it.

What are you talking about dude? The real discussion is over already. Get over it.

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What are you talking about dude? The real discussion is over already. Get over it. if that's the case, then why do you keep responding?

[straightXed]

:)

When you email them you could call yourself crucialduel or crucialfeud...show them whats what!

[Lifestyle_X]

I want good, hot weather! Too much rain and wind over here.. it's been two weeks or something since it was really summer.

[straightXed]

I want good, hot weather! Too much rain and wind over here.. it's been two weeks or something since it was really summer.

Its been 2 months here since we had a little bit of nice weather, today was the first day in ages that is hasn't rained.

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Its been 2 months here since we had a little bit of nice weather, today was the first day in ages that is hasn't rained.
we were wondering if you guys were going to have a summer at all or if it's going to be like last year again.

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When you email them you could call yourself crucialduel or crucialfeud...show them whats what!

don't hold your breathe waiting for a response, he's been moderated until he can actually carry on a conversation rather than just trying to get the last word.

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we were wondering if you guys were going to have a summer at all or if it's going to be like last year again.

It seems even worse this year, it was nice yesterday but today its been back to raining hard all day long!

[straightXed]

don't hold your breathe waiting for a response, he's been moderated until he can actually carry on a conversation rather than just trying to get the last word.

Whould have thought a conversation about the weather would be such hard work?!

[Lifestyle_X]

We finally get a hot day on Wednesday, 24°C and no rain. Then some days with rain again probably and on Sunday again no rain and 21°C and it should continue.. How is it gonna be in the UK?

[straightXed]

We finally get a hot day on Wednesday, 24°C and no rain. Then some days with rain again probably and on Sunday again no rain and 21°C and it should continue.. How is it gonna be in the UK?

Overcast and cloudy with rain showers with a small possibility of brightening up toward the end of the week with an estimated high of 19°c. Going into next week on a 10 day forecast it looks like it could stay sunnier but i wouldn't trust that just yet...it would be nice though as i have some time off work next week.

[xCrucialDudex]

We finally get a hot day on Wednesday, 24°C and no rain. Then some days with rain again probably and on Sunday again no rain and 21°C and it should continue.. How is it gonna be in the UK?

While we had 37c yesterday here, in this not so hot place, but yeah, don't listen to me, I'm just an insane person that makes shit up and trolls the forum just for the fun of it!

[xCrucialDudex]

Overcast and cloudy with rain showers with a small possibility of brightening up toward the end of the week with an estimated high of 19°c. Going into next week on a 10 day forecast it looks like it could stay sunnier but i wouldn't trust that just yet...it would be nice though as i have some time off work next week.

England sucks!

[Lifestyle_X]

Let's hope for the best.

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While we had 37c yesterday here, in this not so hot place, but yeah, don't listen to me, I'm just an insane person that makes shit up and trolls the forum just for the fun of it!
36c which was an anomaly, and yes, you are, and yes you do.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/simferopol'/322464/july-weather/322464

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We finally get a hot day on Wednesday, 24°C and no rain. Then some days with rain again probably and on Sunday again no rain and 21°C and it should continue.. How is it gonna be in the UK?

I can't even imagine a world where 24 is hot.

[straightXed]

England sucks!

Because of the weather?

[mouseman004]

35 degrees today, 43 when taking humidity into account. We haven't had a day under 30 in almost a week.

[Lifestyle_X]

My mistake, it should be "warm".

[xCrucialDudex]

Because of the weather?

Yes. You don't have to explain in detail how I'm wrong. In fact, you don't have to do it at all. Save your energy.

[xCrucialDudex]

36c which was an anomaly, and yes, you are, and yes you do.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ua/simferopol'/322464/july-weather/322464

lol listen to yourself! Is AccuWeather infallible?

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lol listen to yourself! Is AccuWeather infallible?

yes, please listen to me.

Are you asking who do I trust more, you or accuweather? one guess, and it's not you.

[xCrucialDudex]

yes, please listen to me.

Are you asking who do I trust more, you or accuweather? one guess, and it's not you.

Is AccuWeather infallible?

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Is AccuWeather infallible?
I have no reason to doubt it, but I do have reason to doubt you. Do you enjoy repeating yourself?

[straightXed]

Yes. You don't have to explain in detail how I'm wrong. In fact, you don't have to do it at all. Save your energy.

Is this because you already know you or wrong, are you trying to be wrong? Could you explain why you are wrong?

[mouseman004]

Yes. You don't have to explain in detail how I'm wrong. In fact, you don't have to do it at all. Save your energy.


lol listen to yourself! Is AccuWeather infallible?


yes, please listen to me.

Are you asking who do I trust more, you or accuweather? one guess, and it's not you.


Is AccuWeather infallible?


I have no reason to doubt it, but I do have reason to doubt you. Do you enjoy repeating yourself?

Holy crap this argument is getting ridiculous. Who the heck cares how hot or not hot it is in Simferpol Ukraine?

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Holy crap this argument is getting ridiculous. Who the heck cares how hot or not hot it is in Simferpol Ukraine? getting? this is why he's currently moderated. these are the somewhat constructive posts.

[xCrucialDudex]

Holy crap this argument is getting ridiculous. Who the heck cares how hot or not hot it is in Simferpol Ukraine?

There's a sort of fringe benefit to this, though, the board looks and feels more alive!

And it's not about weather in Simferopol per se, it's about a ridiculous statement xsecx made saying how it's not really hot here so my
statement about how I can take heat better than cold is laughable.

We're just arguing to establish whether it's hot enough (which I honestly believe it is!) in Simferopol, not just whether it's hot in this
part of the world, or not, just for the sake of knowing it/arguing.

[xCrucialDudex]

Is this because you already know you or wrong, are you trying to be wrong? Could you explain why you are wrong?

Yes, I'm intentionally and consciously trying my best to be wrong. Makes perfect sense!

[straightXed]

Yes, I'm intentionally and consciously trying my best to be wrong. Makes perfect sense!

Well you were the one that suggested you were wrong, and intentionally being wrong does fit in with the trolling