Courage Crew??

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

call it whatever you want my goals in life are not to validate your opinions. actions speak louder than words ever will.

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I just find it ironic that you talk about respect and taking responsibilities for your actions and you can't even do that there.

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Originally Posted by D1988

I hate all this nonsense that goes on in this thread, it should just be deleted and forgotten about.

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then people wouldn't be able to read the words for themselves and make up their own minds.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well why else would you stop and call someone an asshole unless you wanted to fight. i guess maybe he should have thought that out better before approaching people he doesnt know and calling them assholes but its not his fault.

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thanks for proving the point dude.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well why else would you stop and call someone an asshole unless you wanted to fight. i guess maybe he should have thought that out better before approaching people he doesnt know and calling them assholes but its not his fault.

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Are you serious? So when I call some one a name that means that they should come up to me and punch me in the face?

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

i just thought it would be fun to see what all of you would have to say. hell the only reason i came to this site in the first place was that you guys were talking shit about me. and then i saw the courage crew thing and i thought maybe i could help answer some questions that maybe you guys had.

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You helped confirm a bunch of stuff so at least thats something, but it is interesting how you go from really going on one about how you deserve respect and want people o understand just how decent you really are and then completely flip to not caring at all if people have a negative view of you. And by interesting i mean completely inconsistant.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

i dont think gang life is just criminal activity i know it is. i have been around it my entire life. yeah some of them do work regular jobs. there are always exceptions to the rules, but every guy ive known flying a flag still has alittle something extra going on on the side even in legit buisnesses. gangs are about money and that is about it. it starts out to be down for your block or your hommies but it all ends up to money.
im not going to name specifics on charities or churches. simply because i am not going to have you fuckers mailbomb these people with bullshit that has nothing to do with what we are doing. your only goal is to tear down everything i believe in and in no way am going to give you the oppurtunity to tear down the good things that we have been working on.
simply put we did something for hardcore a long time ago. and instead of fadding away like other crews have or self destructing we are still around. were there fights. yes. do people fear us. yes. but the biggest problem is you cant lump us into one category like you are trying to do. we are not a gang.

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See your standard response here would be to say that there aren't charities or churches you help because you can't name them!!

You do seem to fit quite nicely into the meathead catagory though so i guess thats not really a problem.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well why else would you stop and call someone an asshole unless you wanted to fight. i guess maybe he should have thought that out better before approaching people he doesnt know and calling them assholes but its not his fault.

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Well perhaps he just wanted to point out the fact they were being assholes. Oh no, verbal critisism, someone highlighted their negative behaviour...must fight them now! But after you have reacted with illegal violence because you struggle to verbalise a decent argument to justify your asshole like behaviour you still want to be respected. Yeah, that makes sense! Its simply called being a thug, most likely insecure and uses violence to mask that.

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Originally Posted by straightXed

Well perhaps he just wanted to point out the fact they were being assholes. Oh no, verbal critisism, someone highlighted their negative behaviour...must fight them now! But after you have reacted with illegal violence because you struggle to verbalise a decent argument to justify your asshole like behaviour you still want to be respected. Yeah, that makes sense! Its simply called being a thug, most likely insecure and uses violence to mask that.

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or maybe he wanted to fight?

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Originally Posted by linsee

Are you serious? So when I call some one a name that means that they should come up to me and punch me in the face?

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absolutely

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Originally Posted by xsecx

thanks for proving the point dude.

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your welcome dude

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

absolutely

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That's such a negative and ridiculous way to handle things. It's too bad you don't use your brain to handle things instead.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

absolutely

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That is exactly the mentality that makes people call guys in crews meatheads.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

or maybe he wanted to fight?

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Its a possibilty but it still doesn't make it right. Besides your meathead mentality clearly negates all the other possibilities. You are simply displaying a thugish attitude and an inability to respond to such a situation without violence.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

That is exactly the mentality that makes people call guys in crews meatheads.

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whats wrong with being a meathead?

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

whats wrong with being a meathead?

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What's right about being a meathead?

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

whats wrong with being a meathead?

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duh!!!!

let me make something clear, the courage crew IS a bunch of violent people who have to respect for anyone different from them, a few of my friends showed me this site and thought i'd have some opinions. i'm not edge myself but i have a huge respect for those who are.

I live in cincinnati and i have first hand experianced courage crew and their girlfriends many times. i have had a guy knock thru a crowd to slap a cigarette out of my mouth. i have had other moments when the guys have the decency not to hit females but instead they call their girlfriends out. i had to be carried out of the fish club in trenton ohio because i lit up a smoke outside, came back in and got punched in the face. i'm a very small girl and i'm only 5'0 tall. it was completely uncalled for.

courage crew is just an excuse to start violence and instill fear. straight edge is a way of life that i respect 100%. i have friends who are very close to me that are sxe. they come over while we're partying and will hang out while we act stupid. they respect the fact that we dont sport edge and we respect the fact that they do.

courage crew completely distroyed the idea of straight edge. the idea that drinking, smoking tobacco, and recreational drugs arent someones 'cup of tea'. it was started because the teen idles were almost denied into a club to play because they werent of drinking age. they werent there to get trashed, they were there to play music, so they offered up the idea of putting 'X's on the back of their hands to indecate that they werent old enough. the scene just grew from there. not because it was a fashion trend or because people wanted to stand out, people just plain wanted to live life and do the things they love with out the drugs and drinking that was most commonly precived in the punk genre. it picked up speed and was a great influence on a large chunk of 'punk rock youth'. but somehow this good influence has led to a group of people finding it nessecery to be a bunch of nazis.

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Originally Posted by linsee

Are you serious? So when I call some one a name that means that they should come up to me and punch me in the face?

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why would you call someone a name and expect them not to retaliate? maybe not a punch to the face, but a confrontation would be expected.

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

why would you call someone a name and expect them not to retaliate? maybe not a punch to the face, but a confrontation would be expected.

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Oh I totally agree, but I don't understand the violence part of it. I've just seen over the top retaliations when someone has said something like "dude don't be a douchebag".

I guess someone would have to do something over the top ridiculous to me for me to even think of violence.

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

let me make something clear, the courage crew IS a bunch of violent people who have to respect for anyone different from them, a few of my friends showed me this site and thought i'd have some opinions. i'm not edge myself but i have a huge respect for those who are.

I live in cincinnati and i have first hand experianced courage crew and their girlfriends many times. i have had a guy knock thru a crowd to slap a cigarette out of my mouth. i have had other moments when the guys have the decency not to hit females but instead they call their girlfriends out. i had to be carried out of the fish club in trenton ohio because i lit up a smoke outside, came back in and got punched in the face. i'm a very small girl and i'm only 5'0 tall. it was completely uncalled for.

courage crew is just an excuse to start violence and instill fear. straight edge is a way of life that i respect 100%. i have friends who are very close to me that are sxe. they come over while we're partying and will hang out while we act stupid. they respect the fact that we dont sport edge and we respect the fact that they do.

courage crew completely distroyed the idea of straight edge. the idea that drinking, smoking tobacco, and recreational drugs arent someones 'cup of tea'. it was started because the teen idles were almost denied into a club to play because they werent of drinking age. they werent there to get trashed, they were there to play music, so they offered up the idea of putting 'X's on the back of their hands to indecate that they werent old enough. the scene just grew from there. not because it was a fashion trend or because people wanted to stand out, people just plain wanted to live life and do the things they love with out the drugs and drinking that was most commonly precived in the punk genre. it picked up speed and was a great influence on a large chunk of 'punk rock youth'. but somehow this good influence has led to a group of people finding it nessecery to be a bunch of nazis.

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we arent nazis. i dont hate jews

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Originally Posted by linsee

Oh I totally agree, but I don't understand the violence part of it. I've just seen over the top retaliations when someone has sead something like "dude don't be a douchebag".

I guess someone would have to do something over the top ridiculous to me for me to even think of violence.

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well of course that would be fine but if it would have been one of us who called you friend an asshole and he hit one of us i bet your story would change

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well of course that would be fine but if it would have been one of us who called you friend an asshole and he hit one of us i bet your story would change

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Shockingly enough, fighting isn't something myself or my friends do to react to words. I don't hang out with people that use their fists first. My friends use their heads.

I hate to break it to you, but there is a large number of the population who don't think fighting or throwing a punch is an option unless they are being physically attacked and want to defend themselves.

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

why would you call someone a name and expect them not to retaliate? maybe not a punch to the face, but a confrontation would be expected.

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I agree,

Im not sure what to think about this, ive been reading through the whole thread trying to figure out my opinion of it. I personally think that yes, some members of CXC may have been assholes or beat on people for stupid reasons, but i wouldnt want to judge a whole crew on the actions of those individuals. I can however see how this would give a general opinion of a groupe of people if some of them are doing these things.

I dont think violence is the answer, and picking fights just for the sake of fighting is wrong! Yeah going to shows and looking out for kids and stuff is great but there is a line where it goes from helping out to bullying.

I personally havent met anyone from courage crew, and i suppose ill make up my mind if i meet any, but then again my opinion would be on the individual not the whole crew. Lets just hope i dont get a smack in the mouth :P

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Originally Posted by x.Xmiss_SmogX.x

I agree,

Im not sure what to think about this, ive been reading through the whole thread trying to figure out my opinion of it. I personally think that yes, some members of CXC may have been assholes or beat on people for stupid reasons, but i wouldnt want to judge a whole crew on the actions of those individuals. I can however see how this would give a general opinion of a groupe of people if some of them are doing these things.

I dont think violence is the answer, and picking fights just for the sake of fighting is wrong! Yeah going to shows and looking out for kids and stuff is great but there is a line where it goes from helping out to bullying.

I personally havent met anyone from courage crew, and i suppose ill make up my mind if i meet any, but then again my opinion would be on the individual not the whole crew. Lets just hope i dont get a smack in the mouth :P

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when you choose to associate with a group, you take responsibility at least on some level of the actions of members of that group. Why wouldn't you judge a crew based on the actions of their members, since as demonstrated on here, the actions are at least supported by others and it's a common shared attitude?

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well of course that would be fine but if it would have been one of us who called you friend an asshole and he hit one of us i bet your story would change

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Why would it change, its still a really dumb way to react and sensible people generally don't condone that regardless of who it is. I have distanced myself from people i was friends with because i couldn't condone their behaviour...so of course you are wrong...again.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

we arent nazis. i dont hate jews

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that comment just makes you an ignorant moron.

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Originally Posted by linsee

Shockingly enough, fighting isn't something myself or my friends do to react to words. I don't hang out with people that use their fists first. My friends use their heads.

I hate to break it to you, but there is a large number of the population who don't think fighting or throwing a punch is an option unless they are being physically attacked and want to defend themselves.

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thank you.
i agree that if you call someone an asshole out of nowhere, they're going to confront you, or at least they should. but to throw a punch with out a conversation is jus barbaric.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well of course that would be fine but if it would have been one of us who called you friend an asshole and he hit one of us i bet your story would change

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this proves my point. some people really do think violence is always the first options where as my friends and i'm sure alot of others on this site agree that violence is a very last resort. if you call my friend or me an asshole out of no where, you can bet that they/i will say something to you. but i refuse to hit you. obviously theres a reason why you said that, and i'd want to know why. if you just did it to a an arrogant prick then yeah, i'm probably going to get pist, and if you continue, i'm probably gonna lose my cool, but not everyone jumps at the first chance to hit someone..

figures that this comment came from someone who stated that they're a courage crew member.

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

that comment just makes you an ignorant moron.

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fuckin right!!!!

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well of course that would be fine but if it would have been one of us who called you friend an asshole and he hit one of us i bet your story would change

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Just because you keep saying that the story would change if the situation was reversed, doesnt make it true. Beleive it or not, there are people out there who are smarter than you who would react differently in similar situations.

hey about that courage crew and cleaning out society from all this 'filth', i wonder if they are in any schoolprojects for little kids. people who come and warn you about all of this, at my elementary school it was a cop. picture it at your town, all these little kids shit there pants, they won't drink or smoke or do drugs EVER ! or would these c&c dudes be all nice with those schoolkids ? :p

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Originally Posted by linsee

Shockingly enough, fighting isn't something myself or my friends do to react to words. I don't hang out with people that use their fists first. My friends use their heads.

I hate to break it to you, but there is a large number of the population who don't think fighting or throwing a punch is an option unless they are being physically attacked and want to defend themselves.

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i hate to break it to you but it is your friend that started it. if he would have kept his mouth shut nothing would have happened

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

that comment just makes you an ignorant moron.

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no saying we are like nazis is ignorant. making a smart ass comment is what it is a smart ass comment

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

thank you.
i agree that if you call someone an asshole out of nowhere, they're going to confront you, or at least they should. but to throw a punch with out a conversation is jus barbaric.

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what is the point in calling someone out if you dont want a reaction to what you said. now if the guy would have pulled him aside and said it to him in a different way things could have go differently. but you walk up to a dude and run your mouth to him you get what you get. half of the responsibilty goes on both parties. dont talk shit and whine and cry when you get hit. i mean you guys all know us so well and know that we are nothing but barbaric retards who only solve things with violence so why would you approach someone you look at like that and confront them. that seems stupid.

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Originally Posted by mouseman004

Just because you keep saying that the story would change if the situation was reversed, doesnt make it true. Beleive it or not, there are people out there who are smarter than you who would react differently in similar situations.

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i didnt keep saying it. i only said it once. and yeah there are people out there that react to a confrontation in different ways they are called pussies

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

i didnt keep saying it. i only said it once. and yeah there are people out there that react to a confrontation in different ways they are called pussies

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You have accused her of changing her story many times, and you have said more than once that if the situation was reversed her story would change. And I think the only pussies out there are the idiots like you who solve problems through violence instead of using any sort of brain power to come up with a better way to figure things out. Grow up you child. Thanks for proving everybody on this message board right.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

i hate to break it to you but it is your friend that started it. if he would have kept his mouth shut nothing would have happened

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Wait are you talking about a tparticular situation we discussed before in this thread or what? You're really unclear when you respond to something. Maybe you should go back and reread everything, because you seem to be confused.

What you quoted me on was me saying was a statement not relating to a particular incident, I was saying that my friends and I don't use or fists unless it's to protect ourselves when being physically attacked.

If we are talking about one of the incidents previously discussed, my friend did not start anything physical. One of the instances a friend of mine was jumped at a non-show related place, as I told you. The other incident was when I saw someone call a Courage Crew dude an asshole and get beaten by 3 guys at once. I never said it was a friend, it was something I saw at a show.

Regardless of what the situation is, it started out not being a physical fight and Courage Crew always answers with their fists rather than being smart, intelligent, or witty. They think with their fists instead.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

i didnt keep saying it. i only said it once. and yeah there are people out there that react to a confrontation in different ways they are called pussies

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are you really as stupid as you seem? seriously, you dont want people to say shit about courage crew but here you are making a perfect example of yourself. you've just proved that you are closed minded and immature. people showed you a different opinion and you stay stuck in a violent rut.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

no saying we are like nazis is ignorant. making a smart ass comment is what it is a smart ass comment

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i didnt say you were LIKE nazis. i said you were a bunch of nazis. meaning ignorant, brutes, with a mind set to make everyone just like you. you all claim edge, which is basically supporting a healthy lifestyle, but you beat the hell out of people for not choosing the same?

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Originally Posted by VivaLaCreep

i didnt say you were LIKE nazis. i said you were a bunch of nazis. meaning ignorant, brutes, with a mind set to make everyone just like you. you all claim edge, which is basically supporting a healthy lifestyle, but you beat the hell out of people for not choosing the same?

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man you guys have no sense of humor. the whole pussies comment was a joke to watch you guys respnd the way you did, by talking shit. hahahaha you guys are so easy to manipulate. In no way are we ignorant brutes with a mind set to be like us. that is a personal choice whether or not people want to be courage crew. but in no way shape or form are we anything like nazis. again another one of you blowing things way out on context.