Courage Crew??

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Originally Posted by xsecx

I like how you keep making incorrect assumptions, my knowledge of gangs comes from direct interaction growing up, not from a text book. Half of the shit you spew is the same shit they would. Did you not say that courage crew gets kids jobs and pays for shit? When you're not under the microscope the words you say and things you portray are definitely gang like. When someone brings it up, then you talk about how you're not, but if I'm not mistaken, aren't you guys on gang watchlists, at least in Dayton? You talk about respect like people should automatically respect you, when I go back that it's not really respect that you care about, it's control and fear. What have you guys done to be stand up men outside of shows and hardcore? Where things actually matter?

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what gangs were you around that helped each other get jobs. and no i dont think people should automaticly respect me but they should respect the place that they are at or the buisness they are in. i dont give a fuck about control or fear. and the whole gang watch list thing is bullshit. in fact you are on the gang watch list in some states. if you claim to be straightedge you are on a gang watch list.

Outside of hardcore we do work with some charities and churches.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well i assume it was at a show cause you said you have seen alot of things at shows

tell me what city and i can find out what was up in 10 minutes

i mean that sucks your friend got beat up but i am sure it wasnt for no reason

i will tell you exactly why people have negative things to say. it is because people get their feelings hurt. instead of manning up and admitting they are wrong 9 times out of 10 a guy will say we did it for no reason. but the guy was probably dancing like an asshole or fucking with young kids that were dancing or acting like a dumbass in a venue, or being disrespectful to be funny, or just plain old talkin shit cause he wants to see what its all about. ive personally seen kids crowd punch hit the wrong guy and get knocked out for it and then that night be on the internet talking shit on us that we jumped him or he got beat up for smoking near us or being drunk. People say negative things because they want it to be negative.

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See heres the thing...you talk about beating people up for talking shit, thats fucking dumb and shows you in a negative light. And now you are telling us about what you have seen, why should anyone believe you, you disbelieve anything anyone else see's.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

what gangs were you around that helped each other get jobs. and no i dont think people should automaticly respect me but they should respect the place that they are at or the buisness they are in. i dont give a fuck about control or fear. and the whole gang watch list thing is bullshit. in fact you are on the gang watch list in some states. if you claim to be straightedge you are on a gang watch list.

Outside of hardcore we do work with some charities and churches.

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If you think gang life is just criminal activity and they don't work actual jobs, ever, then I think you need to maybe do a little research. Are you going to try and tell me that there aren't similarities between what you say and do and gangs? You talk about respect and how important it is, but now you want to talk about how you don't care about it? You want people to act how you want them to, and they way you do it is via intimation and violence. That isn't about respect, it's about fear.

If you claim to be straight edge you're on a gang watch list in some places because of the actions of crews, not the actions of individuals. Courage Crew definitely had a direct hand in that, or are you going to refute that?

What charities and what churches?

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

you need to except the fact that we are not a gang and that we dont give a fuck what are reputation is.

we dont fuckin care if we are liked or hated.


and not all the respect comes from violence it comes from being stand up men.

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If you don't care what your reputation is then whats all this about? If everyone thinks you are violent meatheads and you don't care why are you going on about how we shouldn't think that? Sounds to me like you really do care if you are liked or hated. And while any respect you do get may not come from violence you should be aware that its a large reason for you not gaining the respect of a lot of others.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

so it wasnt 3 on 1 it was one guy and your friend. i never asked you to agree with courage crew. i just asked you to be honest cause earlier in this post you were getting pretty dramatic with the spilling blood talk.

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Not with my friend no, but what I had said is that I've seen 3 beating up just 1 dude. No that was not the incident with my friend, it was an incident at a show. I've been honest through out all my posts, it seems like you just aren't reading them clearly and just getting angry instead.

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Originally Posted by straightXed

If you don't care what your reputation is then whats all this about? If everyone thinks you are violent meatheads and you don't care why are you going on about how we shouldn't think that? Sounds to me like you really do care if you are liked or hated. And while any respect you do get may not come from violence you should be aware that its a large reason for you not gaining the respect of a lot of others.

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i just thought it would be fun to see what all of you would have to say. hell the only reason i came to this site in the first place was that you guys were talking shit about me. and then i saw the courage crew thing and i thought maybe i could help answer some questions that maybe you guys had.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

If you think gang life is just criminal activity and they don't work actual jobs, ever, then I think you need to maybe do a little research. Are you going to try and tell me that there aren't similarities between what you say and do and gangs? You talk about respect and how important it is, but now you want to talk about how you don't care about it? You want people to act how you want them to, and they way you do it is via intimation and violence. That isn't about respect, it's about fear.

If you claim to be straight edge you're on a gang watch list in some places because of the actions of crews, not the actions of individuals. Courage Crew definitely had a direct hand in that, or are you going to refute that?

What charities and what churches?

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i dont think gang life is just criminal activity i know it is. i have been around it my entire life. yeah some of them do work regular jobs. there are always exceptions to the rules, but every guy ive known flying a flag still has alittle something extra going on on the side even in legit buisnesses. gangs are about money and that is about it. it starts out to be down for your block or your hommies but it all ends up to money.
im not going to name specifics on charities or churches. simply because i am not going to have you fuckers mailbomb these people with bullshit that has nothing to do with what we are doing. your only goal is to tear down everything i believe in and in no way am going to give you the oppurtunity to tear down the good things that we have been working on.
simply put we did something for hardcore a long time ago. and instead of fadding away like other crews have or self destructing we are still around. were there fights. yes. do people fear us. yes. but the biggest problem is you cant lump us into one category like you are trying to do. we are not a gang.

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Originally Posted by linsee

Not with my friend no, but what I had said is that I've seen 3 beating up just 1 dude. No that was not the incident with my friend, it was an incident at a show. I've been honest through out all my posts, it seems like you just aren't reading them clearly and just getting angry instead.

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but were the 3 guys you saw beating up 1 guy courage crew? cause that is what you were making it out to be. in no way am i getting angry. you just exaggerate.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

i dont think gang life is just criminal activity i know it is. i have been around it my entire life. yeah some of them do work regular jobs. there are always exceptions to the rules, but every guy ive known flying a flag still has alittle something extra going on on the side even in legit buisnesses. gangs are about money and that is about it. it starts out to be down for your block or your hommies but it all ends up to money.
im not going to name specifics on charities or churches. simply because i am not going to have you fuckers mailbomb these people with bullshit that has nothing to do with what we are doing. your only goal is to tear down everything i believe in and in no way am going to give you the oppurtunity to tear down the good things that we have been working on.
simply put we did something for hardcore a long time ago. and instead of fadding away like other crews have or self destructing we are still around. were there fights. yes. do people fear us. yes. but the biggest problem is you cant lump us into one category like you are trying to do. we are not a gang.

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so I can call bullshit on you too? I mean, you can't and don't want to name specifics so why should anyone who reads this believe that courage crew does anything other than get in fights?

Do you even take responsibility for directly being one of the reasons that straight edge is considered a gang in some areas? Are you going to deny that or simply ignore it and present that the question isn't asked.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

but were the 3 guys you saw beating up 1 guy courage crew? cause that is what you were making it out to be. in no way am i getting angry. you just exaggerate.

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she's talking about 2 different incidents. you just can't read.

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

but were the 3 guys you saw beating up 1 guy courage crew? cause that is what you were making it out to be. in no way am i getting angry. you just exaggerate.

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You're not reading everything I am writing. These are different incidents we are talking about here. The incident with my friend was not at a show, and other incidents I have seen have been at shows. I said that I saw 3 dudes that were Courage Crew beat up 1 guy, which is true. A guy called them assholes or some name and they just started beating on him. The guy getting beat on didn't throw a punch or even attempt to once he was getting beat, while Courage Crew just jumped in with punches.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

so I can call bullshit on you too? I mean, you can't and don't want to name specifics so why should anyone who reads this believe that courage crew does anything other than get in fights?

Do you even take responsibility for directly being one of the reasons that straight edge is considered a gang in some areas? Are you going to deny that or simply ignore it and present that the question isn't asked.

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call it whatever you want my goals in life are not to validate your opinions. actions speak louder than words ever will.

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Originally Posted by linsee

You're not reading everything I am writing. These are different incidents we are talking about here. The incident with my friend was not at a show, and other incidents I have seen have been at shows. I said that I saw 3 dudes that were Courage Crew beat up 1 guy, which is true. A guy called them assholes or some name and they just started beating on him. The guy getting beat on didn't throw a punch or even attempt to once he was getting beat, while Courage Crew just jumped in with punches.

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well why else would you stop and call someone an asshole unless you wanted to fight. i guess maybe he should have thought that out better before approaching people he doesnt know and calling them assholes but its not his fault.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

she's talking about 2 different incidents. you just can't read.

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no i can read i just wanted to get the story out of her and now i did

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Originally Posted by xflintsxfinestx

well why else would you stop and call someone an asshole unless you wanted to fight. i guess maybe he should have thought that out better before approaching people he doesnt know and calling them assholes but its not his fault.

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Wait, you fully condone 3 guys beating up on someone for calling them assholes?

Wheres the "courage" in that? If they were really pissed about being called assholes, surely one of the super offended tough dudes could have fought 1 on 1 instead of having him and his buddies jump the guy? Nothing you say can justify shit like that.

Calling someone a name doesn't automatically mean they are ready to have a fist fight with someone, that is just dumb.

I hate all this nonsense that goes on in this thread, it should just be deleted and forgotten about.