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Originally Posted by lo0m

Caseine causes addiction and can (in case of long term use) lead to cancer tumours.

proof for this statement?

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Originally Posted by xsecx

proof for this statement?

According to The China Study (Cornell University, Oxford University and China’s health research laboratory joint research - 65000 adults researched for 20 years), quoting, "the connection between casein and cancer was so profound that the scientists could literally turn cancer growth on and off in the laboratory animals, like a light switch, simply by altering the level of casein protein in their diets. Interestingly, they also found that feeding the animals the same levels of plant based protein (gluten and soy) did not at all promote cancer growth."

"The peptides from gluten [gliadorphin] and casein [casomorphin] are important because they react with opiate receptors in the brain, thus mimicking the effects of opiate drugs like heroin and morphine."—Dr. Charles Parker

""Opiates hide inside casein, the main dairy protein. As casein molecules are digested, they break apart to release tiny opiate molecules, called casomorphins. One of these compounds has about one-tenth the opiate strength of morphine. The especially addicting power of cheese may be due to the fact that the process of cheese-making removes water, lactose and whey proteins so that casein is concentrated."

hope that is what you've been asking for. I'm not trying to put this as straight, unshakeable facts (you know i'm little bit sceptic about "error free" science) but as far as i know these are the latest discoveries int his field..

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Originally Posted by lo0m

According to The China Study (Cornell University, Oxford University and China’s health research laboratory joint research - 65000 adults researched for 20 years), quoting, "the connection between casein and cancer was so profound that the scientists could literally turn cancer growth on and off in the laboratory animals, like a light switch, simply by altering the level of casein protein in their diets. Interestingly, they also found that feeding the animals the same levels of plant based protein (gluten and soy) did not at all promote cancer growth."

"The peptides from gluten [gliadorphin] and casein [casomorphin] are important because they react with opiate receptors in the brain, thus mimicking the effects of opiate drugs like heroin and morphine."—Dr. Charles Parker

""Opiates hide inside casein, the main dairy protein. As casein molecules are digested, they break apart to release tiny opiate molecules, called casomorphins. One of these compounds has about one-tenth the opiate strength of morphine. The especially addicting power of cheese may be due to the fact that the process of cheese-making removes water, lactose and whey proteins so that casein is concentrated."

hope that is what you've been asking for. I'm not trying to put this as straight, unshakeable facts (you know i'm little bit sceptic about "error free" science) but as far as i know these are the latest discoveries int his field..

The cancer stuff seems up in the air for most things. You'll find studies that show pretty much that everything causes cancer and you'll find other than it doesn't. I was mostly asking about the addiction/morphine angle. Logically it doesn't really make sense. if it was strong enough to cause an addiction, it should also be strong enough to be felt by the individual. Granted, I don't eat very much cheese but I've never felt anything similar to the time I given morphine after surgery.
I also found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8169274

which doesn't look like it's very likely that it is addictive.

I don't think anyone would argue that cheese is the healthiest thing to eat but I think it's stretch to call addictive and a drug.

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Originally Posted by xsecx

The cancer stuff seems up in the air for most things. You'll find studies that show pretty much that everything causes cancer and you'll find other than it doesn't.

yes, but i still see a slight difference between series of studies and propably the biggest nutrinional research in human history. Which again doesn't mean that we should take it without questions, but still..

I was mostly asking about the addiction/morphine angle. Logically it doesn't really make sense. if it was strong enough to cause an addiction, it should also be strong enough to be felt by the individual. Granted, I don't eat very much cheese but I've never felt anything similar to the time I given morphine after surgery.

the question is: how do they measure it? are we talking about straight 1:10 ratio in let's say miligrams? i don't even remotely know what doses of morphine they use after surgery. I read about 4mg per kg - but that doesn't make much sense, or does it?. Do you fell effect of chocolate on you? I've read about people who didn't eat cheese for some time and when they ate it, they felt a little bit high. I guess it can be weight/age/type of cheese dependent.

I also found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8169274

thanks. it's 15 years old and they don't specify which casomorphine they use (seems that casein in human and goat milk doesn't have the same effects as that in cow milk).. good point anyway

which doesn't look like it's very likely that it is addictive.

I don't think anyone would argue that cheese is the healthiest thing to eat but I think it's stretch to call addictive and a drug.

as i said, i didn't mean to compare effects of cheese to those of morphine/heroin. maybe it is comparable. more to chocolate, coffee and other similar substances, which act as drugs (i.e. does affect brain in some way and may in case of long term use cause and "addiction" - not comparable to heavy drug addiction - so no physical addiction as in case of morphine) but are not recognized as such.

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Originally Posted by lo0m

yes, but i still see a slight difference between series of studies and propably the biggest nutrinional research in human history. Which again doesn't mean that we should take it without questions, but still..

Are you talking about the china study? There's actually been a lot of issues found with it.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=385

the question is: how do they measure it? are we talking about straight 1:10 ratio in let's say miligrams? i don't even remotely know what doses of morphine they use after surgery. I read about 4mg per kg - but that doesn't make much sense, or does it?. Do you fell effect of chocolate on you? I've read about people who didn't eat cheese for some time and when they ate it, they felt a little bit high. I guess it can be weight/age/type of cheese dependent.

No I don't, which is why I still eat chocolate. I haven't read anything that leads me to believe that there's any validity that cheese has a morphine like effect when consumed. I find things that say

"But there is no proof that casomorphins enter the bloodstreams of adults, turning them into Brie-gobbling junkies. Researchers have uncovered some evidence that certain foods stimulate more dopamine release in mammals than others--critical to the legal argument that those foods are unreasonably addictive and dangerous--but their findings are tentative or difficult to replicate in humans"

They also talk about chocolate as well.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2005/0110/063_print.html

thanks. it's 15 years old and they don't specify which casomorphine they use (seems that casein in human and goat milk doesn't have the same effects as that in cow milk).. good point anyway

I'm sure they do in the actual study, just not in the abstract.

as i said, i didn't mean to compare effects of cheese to those of morphine/heroin. maybe it is comparable. more to chocolate, coffee and other similar substances, which act as drugs (i.e. does affect brain in some way and may in case of long term use cause and "addiction" - not comparable to heavy drug addiction - so no physical addiction as in case of morphine) but are not recognized as such.

yeah, but what bothers me about it that the only place I've found any information about this has been on vegan websites. Sites with an agenda. I haven't found any nonbiased sources that mention this at all.