Fascism, Nationalism, Racism, Nazism.

[BS87]

Originally Posted by rodrigo

i'm not lying, it is!

Ohh, since when then?
Like i said before, straight edge is not either left or right based.
Or have lefties gotten exclusive rights to it now?

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by BS87

Ohh, since when then?
Like i said before, straight edge is not either left or right based.
Or have lefties gotten exclusive rights to it now?

hardcore has had a history of being anti racist and anti nationalist, you're just taking the music and stripping it of the whole content it that history and hardcore kids through history gave it to form it.

its funny how you try to put this as easy as a left or right wing politics deal, though.

[straightXed]

Originally Posted by BS87

Ohh, since when then?
Like i said before, straight edge is not either left or right based.
Or have lefties gotten exclusive rights to it now?

So you are denying the collective view of those involved speaking out against racism and nationalism...that hasn't happened according to you, right?

[xsecx]

Originally Posted by BS87

Im from Sweden so swedes are my ppl and Sweden are my country.

Straight Edge in itself is NOT anti-racist or anti-nationalistic, so that dosn't really mather.
I know ppl that have been straight a loong time and they have always been nationalist to.
So just beacuse some ppl in the scene are anti it dons't make every1 anti.

How are the swedes a people? I mean. what makes you swedish beyond being born there? What makes you so proud of your country? What about people who moved to sweden, can't they be proud of being swedish too?

even within your country, do you seriously not know about the politics of refused and the other bands from Umea?

[SgtD]

Originally Posted by BS87

So nazi or commie, nationalist or not. I dont care aslong as people are true.

that is fucked up. i'm not even going to waste time trying to explain things to you, you're clearly an idiot.

[BS87]

What a load of bullshit. Some band and ppl in the scene speak out against nationalism for some stupid reason sure. But that still dosn't make straight edge anti-racist. Now, leave that commie bullshit elsewhere.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by BS87

What a load of bullshit. Some band and ppl in the scene speak out against nationalism for some stupid reason sure. But that still dosn't make straight edge anti-racist. Now, leave that commie bullshit elsewhere.

not just some band and some people, its bands that formed hardcore since it started.
you're not coping with the history here.

[BS87]

So? I havn't seen anywhere it says that straight edge is anti-nationalist.

Please point me to those facts.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by BS87

So? I havn't seen anywhere it says that straight edge is anti-nationalist.

Please point me to those facts.

hardcore is, and straight edge is inside of hardcore and not outside.

[BS87]

So hardcore is pure anti-racist? what a load of bullshit.
No, straight edge isn't anti-racist, end of discussion.

[rodrigo]

Originally Posted by BS87

So hardcore is pure anti-racist? what a load of bullshit.
No, straight edge isn't anti-racist, end of discussion.

hardcore its anti racist. sorry if it bothers you but you're screwed. and its not new, you cant have a racist or intolerant movement if several pieces that started it, formed it and gave it shape are and were anti racist.

how can you cope with having a band like bad brains wich were all black dudes, dead kennedy's dh peligro too. you cant have a movement tolerant of stupid shit as racism if their own roots are laced to that?

or bands like 7 seconds wich were pretty clear that they were against that bullshit, or should i copy and paste the lyrics to colorblind? i prefer you do your own homework.
even later bands into different kinds of hardcore music reinforced the same thing, MDC, Gorilla Biscuits, DRI, Sick of it all, a a lot more.

do your homework and stop being a clueless asshat.

[straightXed]

Originally Posted by BS87

What a load of bullshit. Some band and ppl in the scene speak out against nationalism for some stupid reason sure. But that still dosn't make straight edge anti-racist. Now, leave that commie bullshit elsewhere.

Right, how is anything being said "commie bullshit" how is speaking out against negative ignorant hatred ever going to be for a stupid reason...it can only be good to speak out against such negativity. Its quite clear that you are ignorant to what straightedge and hardcore are and were about and you are clearly ignorant withing your views. You are making idiotic statements and sounding about as clever as any racist ever has...basically you need to take a good hard look at what you are trying to say, do some real research and then come back.

[straightXed]

Originally Posted by BS87

So hardcore is pure anti-racist? what a load of bullshit.
No, straight edge isn't anti-racist, end of discussion.

Thats your argument...you call it bullshit and then say it isn't so...thats pretty ignorant and doesn't really challenge anything that has been said thus far.

[straightXed]

Originally Posted by BS87

So? I havn't seen anywhere it says that straight edge is anti-nationalist.

Please point me to those facts.

Well if you look throughout the history of hardcore and straightedge you will find people speaking out against those things and depicting them in the negative light as they should. So really the onus is on you to explain why that is not valid enough and perhaps counter it with examples of straightedge hardcore that are holding these things in a positive light.

[El Moro]

Originally Posted by BS87

So hardcore is pure anti-racist? what a load of bullshit.
No, straight edge isn't anti-racist, end of discussion.

Actually, yes it is.

I dare you to go to a Straight Edge concert and say to them what your saying to us now.

Straight Edge has no ethnicity, everyone involved is family regardless of skin color or nationality.

Lets take FSU for example, they formed for the purpose of keeping Neo-Nazi's out of their concert because they don't like their message of racism and hate.

If what your saying is true then they have no reason to do that right?