sXe Philosophy

[XAdamSkaX]

I think that it's important to remember the roots. (or learn them).
There was no real rules, no real limits to be a sXe.
Straight Edge was and is about thinking about yourself and others. And the future.
It was about not drinking, not taking drugs and no one night stands.

But now, the sXe movement is hated and not respected, some places, because of the "intolerant wannabes". The violent ones, that think you need to hear hardcore to be straight edge, and the people that ain't like you, is bad. That was what the movement fighted originally. Straight Edge is not only about hardcore music. It's about fighting the bad habbits and living the life.
Against people, killing themselves. And all religions was allright and respected.
sXe's ain't no hateful maniacs that think all people should be the same, Straight Edge is also about to think for yourself.

And i also think that people that ain't straight edgers should be respected, as well as straight edgers should, not hated, in my opinion, they are the only masters for their own life.

[xsecx]

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

I think that it's important to remember the roots. (or learn them).
There was no real rules, no real limits to be a sXe.
Straight Edge was and is about thinking about yourself and others. And the future.
It was about not drinking, not taking drugs and no one night stands.

But now, the sXe movement is hated and not respected, some places, because of the "intolerant wannabes". The violent ones, that think you need to hear hardcore to be straight edge, and the people that ain't like you, is bad. That was what the movement fighted originally. Straight Edge is not only about hardcore music. It's about fighting the bad habbits and living the life.
Against people, killing themselves. And all religions was allright and respected.
sXe's ain't no hateful maniacs that think all people should be the same, Straight Edge is also about to think for yourself.

And i also think that people that ain't straight edgers should be respected, as well as straight edgers should, not hated, in my opinion, they are the only masters for their own life.

what are you basing this belief of what straight edge is and what it's about on?

[straightXed]

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

I think that it's important to remember the roots. (or learn them).
There was no real rules, no real limits to be a sXe.
Straight Edge was and is about thinking about yourself and others. And the future.
It was about not drinking, not taking drugs and no one night stands.

No real limits except the limits you mentioned? Doesn't really make sense.

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

But now, the sXe movement is hated and not respected, some places, because of the "intolerant wannabes". The violent ones, that think you need to hear hardcore to be straight edge,

Umm, how are you straightedge if you aren't involved in the straightedge movement which is based in hardcore? And what violence are you talking about? it would be nice to see what you are basing this on.

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

and the people that ain't like you, is bad. That was what the movement fighted originally. Straight Edge is not only about hardcore music. It's about fighting the bad habbits and living the life.

"Not only about hardcore music"...so you agree it is about hardcore music among other things, such as personal stance against drug use.

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

Against people, killing themselves.

evidence of this? What is supporting that statement?

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

And all religions was allright and respected.

Umm, evidence tends to disagree but i'd like to see what you are basing this on too?

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

sXe's ain't no hateful maniacs that think all people should be the same, Straight Edge is also about to think for yourself.

Right, you have to think for yourself in all aspects of life. Just thinking for yourself doesn't make you straightedge, if when you do think foryourself your thoughts coincide with the concepts of straightedge then it means you are straightedge but you can't just adopt the term to cover all your beliefs on religion and suicide. Those are external thoughts and can often be contradictive to what straight edge is about

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

And i also think that people that ain't straight edgers should be respected, as well as straight edgers should, not hated, in my opinion, they are the only masters for their own life.

I respect non straightedge people that deserve respect. I respect those who deserve it and theres plenty of straightedge people that i don't respect and plenty of non straightedge people i do.

[XAdamSkaX]

A little time ago, i heard a man talking about straight edge, and their beliefs. I thought "Cool, that's how i have bin for a long time!", and then i would check it more out. All these things i wrote was things that i red in Wikipedia and BBC. And i thought that those two were pretty serious sites?
I don't wan't to provocate anyone in here, that's not my target.
But you may just rate my if i'm wrong.

And sorry, i didn't mean "Against people, killing themselves", but i'm not so good at english. Sorry.
And i don't think that you can make a way of living so narrow, that you only may listen to hardcore. That can't be right.
I see my own thoughts as the straight edge thoughts, but i don't listen to hardcore music. That is like, making a way of living, were you may only eat burritos. Right?
I know and respect the punk and hardcore scene, but i'm not into that music, i don't listen to it.

[xsecx]

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

A little time ago, i heard a man talking about straight edge, and their beliefs. I thought "Cool, that's how i have bin for a long time!", and then i would check it more out. All these things i wrote was things that i red in Wikipedia and BBC. And i thought that those two were pretty serious sites?
I don't wan't to provocate anyone in here, that's not my target.
But you may just rate my if i'm wrong.

And sorry, i didn't mean "Against people, killing themselves", but i'm not so good at english. Sorry.
And i don't think that you can make a way of living so narrow, that you only may listen to hardcore. That can't be right.
I see my own thoughts as the straight edge thoughts, but i don't listen to hardcore music. That is like, making a way of living, were you may only eat burritos. Right?
I know and respect the punk and hardcore scene, but i'm not into that music, i don't listen to it.

yeah but what makes straight edge what it is is a way of living. You're trying to describe it just as a set of beliefs but it isn't. It's a complete subculture and lifestyle. Why can't that be right, when that's exactly what it is? The relationship between the beliefs and the music is what makes it a subculture and not just a philosophy. The philosophy part of it isn't unique at all, but the lifestyle is. If you look at the BBC and the wikipedia descriptions they include stuff about bands, the reason they do that is because it's what it is.

[straightXed]

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

A little time ago, i heard a man talking about straight edge, and their beliefs. I thought "Cool, that's how i have bin for a long time!", and then i would check it more out. All these things i wrote was things that i red in Wikipedia and BBC. And i thought that those two were pretty serious sites?
I don't wan't to provocate anyone in here, that's not my target.
But you may just rate my if i'm wrong.

Straightedge isn't just being drug free, drug free is just being drug free. When you look at hardcore music and the scene itself then you get a much better understanding of what straightedge is. All the symbolism of straightedge links directly with hardcore, hardcore is the vehicle which transports the communication of straightedge, hardcore is the place you will find other straightedge people. Straightedge simply cannot be removed from hardcore without negating a large part of what it is, when you do seperate it you end up with something else - being drug free with no link to hardcore so you have to ask why you would want to adopt a label that refers to a subculture of the hardcore scene?

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

And sorry, i didn't mean "Against people, killing themselves", but i'm not so good at english. Sorry.
And i don't think that you can make a way of living so narrow, that you only may listen to hardcore. That can't be right.

whats narrow about only using labels that accurately describe you? What i find narrow is people needing to adopt labels that don't accurately describe them, i mean if you have no interest in hardcore why would you need to use hardcore terminology to describe yourself? whats wrong with looking at your beliefs and labelling yourself drug free instead of labelling yourself with direct reference to hardcore? And supporting straightedge hardcore bands and shows doesn't mean you can't listen to anything else but hardcore, iot just means other musical tastes don't have any relevence to straightedge. Being straightedge means being actively involved in hardcore to some extent even if its just buying records, but you should want to support the shows and experience the sing alongs to songs that carry the message of the people involved in this scene, the vehicle of hardcore has always been what made straightedge what it is and something more than being just drug free.

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

I see my own thoughts as the straight edge thoughts, but i don't listen to hardcore music. That is like, making a way of living, were you may only eat burritos. Right?
I know and respect the punk and hardcore scene, but i'm not into that music, i don't listen to it.

But your burritos analogy is also true of other aspects of straight edge, you may only drink non alcoholic drinks for instance. Why is one definite rule ok but others aren't?

And like i said before you can listen to other music also it just has no relevence to straightedge, hardcore has a great deal of relevence to straightedge and you can't really say your thoughts are straight edge if they remove themselves from hardcore. What your thoughts are is drug free as they don't really have any connection to hardcore and don't need to be defined as anything other than drug free, the term straightedge relates to something more than just drug free. I hope you can read this as i did my best to follow what you were trying to write.

[xCAMIx]

Originally Posted by XAdamSkaX

A little time ago, i heard a man talking about straight edge, and their beliefs. I thought "Cool, that's how i have bin for a long time!", and then i would check it more out. All these things i wrote was things that i red in Wikipedia and BBC. And i thought that those two were pretty serious sites?
I don't wan't to provocate anyone in here, that's not my target.
But you may just rate my if i'm wrong.

And sorry, i didn't mean "Against people, killing themselves", but i'm not so good at english. Sorry.
And i don't think that you can make a way of living so narrow, that you only may listen to hardcore. That can't be right.
I see my own thoughts as the straight edge thoughts, but i don't listen to hardcore music. That is like, making a way of living, were you may only eat burritos. Right?
I know and respect the punk and hardcore scene, but i'm not into that music, i don't listen to it.

Um, I see where you are coming from. But one note: We here on the site aren't all Southern, so please speak upright grammar.

[SES-SXE]

i believe that straight-edge is for everyone. why should we deny someone with the same lifestyle just because they dont listen to hardcore, or hang out with hardcore kids? its just labeling ourselves, and that can be a bad thing. we want to SPREAD the straight-edge lifestyle, not isolate it to a specific group. we need to share the love guys, share the straight-edge society!

[xsecx]

Originally Posted by SES-SXE

i believe that straight-edge is for everyone. why should we deny someone with the same lifestyle just because they dont listen to hardcore, or hang out with hardcore kids? its just labeling ourselves, and that can be a bad thing. we want to SPREAD the straight-edge lifestyle, not isolate it to a specific group. we need to share the love guys, share the straight-edge society!

if they don't listen to hardcore then they're not living the same lifestyle. that's kind of the point.

[xvunderx]

Originally Posted by SES-SXE

i believe that straight-edge is for everyone. why should we deny someone with the same lifestyle just because they dont listen to hardcore, or hang out with hardcore kids? its just labeling ourselves, and that can be a bad thing. we want to SPREAD the straight-edge lifestyle, not isolate it to a specific group. we need to share the love guys, share the straight-edge society!

See you're talking about the Drug free Lifestyle, no one here is discouraging of that, of saying that isn't worth spreading, just that sXe isn't another word for drugfree, it's a word for hardcore kids against drugs.

[goodcleanbritt]

Originally Posted by xvunderx

See you're talking about the Drug free Lifestyle, no one here is discouraging of that, of saying that isn't worth spreading, just that sXe isn't another word for drugfree, it's a word for hardcore kids against drugs.

exactly. straight edge was born out of hardcore, and it should remain directly linked to hardcore.

if you're not into hardcore, it's great that you're drugfree but just leave it at that; you're drugfree. the term straight edge should be exclusive to those within the hardcore scene, or those who listen to hardcore.

you can be drug free and not straight edge.
and it's great that you're drug free. but i don't believe that indie kids who call themselves edge have the same view on what is edge as i do, being an active member of the hardcore scene.

[SES-SXE]

ok guys, i understand.... you guys are right, i didnt really think it through. well, sXe for life guys (and yes, i do listen to hardcore)

[tute]

mhhh i think straight edge its more than a subculture¡¡¡¡¡
straight edge is a movement of concience that can manifestate itself within many subcultures, its shoudlnt be reduced to hardcore¡¡¡ straight edge is there for any one that wants to live in a positive way.
why should straight edge be open to anyone? well because straight edge is the asnwer to all the shit that society tries to push into kids nowdays, straight edge opens a new perspective on things and shows kids the real values of being a positive inidvidual.
straight edge is a weapon that allows us (the youth) to be alert and take on life as it is.

sxe isnt about rules¡¡¡

[xsecx]

Originally Posted by tute

mhhh i think straight edge its more than a subculture¡¡¡¡¡
straight edge is a movement of concience that can manifestate itself within many subcultures, its shoudlnt be reduced to hardcore¡¡¡ straight edge is there for any one that wants to live in a positive way.
why should straight edge be open to anyone? well because straight edge is the asnwer to all the shit that society tries to push into kids nowdays, straight edge opens a new perspective on things and shows kids the real values of being a positive inidvidual.
straight edge is a weapon that allows us (the youth) to be alert and take on life as it is.

sxe isnt about rules¡¡¡

define what you think straight edge is then?

[tute]

Originally Posted by xsecx

define what you think straight edge is then?

Straight edge for me is a revolution that comes from within the concience of each individual that wants to live a life based on reality, truth and friendship.
Straight edge is a revolution that comes from the inside (each person) and explodes in the outside(society), straight edge is the revolution that keeps me alive and positive.